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  • TT Delivered. What's our Starting D look like now? INSANE???

    Pretty happy that Snake got in BTT's pocket with the Needs Preaching leading up to the draft. Noone really knows if these guys will boom or bust as rookies, but Snake's preaching was that if TT aka BTT (Big Time Ted) eschew FA and trades (and he does for the most part) he MUST go get us the NEEDS/starters lacking day 1 with his draft to do better in 2009.

    I (Snake) and 90% plus of other Rats felt he did that in day 1 and day 2.

    BJ will be a HUGE fucking boost to our shitty ass run D...and eventually be a Warren Sapp with size (scouts say BJ is the best passrusher at NG in the NFL right now and can also blow up runs.....man, anyone ever envy seeing how the Vike's just KILL it at the point of scrimmage in the middle of their DL with the Williams dudes in there...hopefully, and Snake suspects the same after seeing BJ in college and his hilites....really looks the part...

    Snake hasn't been this excited about a pick since the Vikes took AP as a difference maker and hates the Vikes)....Just saying, this dude will be a HUGE beast that peeps across the NFL will associate with the Pack....aka..
    "Play the Pack, you better be ready to get beasted by Raji. Can't move him."

    Clay Matthews...lots of opinions, but this kid just keeps getting better week by week. At no worse AJ Hawk...potentially better cuz of his work ethic (floored by his timings...aka combine numbers) and bloodline. He'll be the player we thought Hawk was gonna be, yet maybe this is what helps Hawk out..Snake hasn't given up on him as a playmaker.

    Here's the deal. WIth BJ drafted. He will start at NG. So will Pickett...but at DE....(TT, MM, scouts, assistant coaches have said the same in quotes, blogs, etc.) as he's 30/31 and declining and a FA after 2009. Do we move BJ for one year...Hell naw. Pickett moves.

    Here's the potential D (and back to topic) that makes Snake shake.

    CB: Woodson (beast ass mofo...huge gamer..love this guy).
    SS: Bigby (many Rats are divided, but damn he's a playmaker/gamer/and most importantly a HITTER as we have no others at starter).
    FS: Collins (real happy with him in 2008.....let's wait to pay him till we have to, might be a fluke year, but see some good stuff from Ole St. Nick in 2009).
    CB: Al (and think Travon could step in, but wow was Al better than EVER in his last few games in 2008). Speed is so overrated. Snake loves guys who can beat the fuck outta WR's. That shit wins games.


    OLB: Kampy (Would excel at DB if he had to, lol, this guy can play).
    ILB: Hawk (Would think he's ready to take off.....)
    ILB: Barnett (Snake really loved this guy the last 2 years...hopefully he's back from his knee injury, but think Bishop needs some snaps..love that guy).
    OBL: Clay (we wouldn't have given up so many picks if he wasn't a starter....so much upside to Clay. Hate Poops as a starter, but serviceable beast potentially as a ST/backup).

    DE: Pickett (many will be shocked, but he moves well laterally...not fast, but a very good run stuffer at a 3-4 DE....very good move and expect it).
    NG: BJ (will prove to be a force day 1 and define our team as a leader, but as a face of the franchise...perennial All-Pro....will be our best player in a year or two potentially). Huge upside.
    DE: Jenkins (hopefully he recovers, as when he's healthy he plays at a Pro-Bowl level...if not Jolly or JH).

    So basically, our 20th plus ranked D last year got 3 upgrades with 2 picks. BJ makes us immediately a force at NG......moving Pickett to DE...upgrade to the run again....and Clay is much better than Poops. The secondary was moot, and the guys getting better (Collins, Rouse, Bigby) negate the aging of our corners (Al, Wood) with Travon reaady to step in in 2009.

    Great D on paper. Insane really. Let's see how it get worked out, but that looks like an imposing D player-wise for our day one 2009 starters.
    Snake's Twitter comments would be LEGENDARY.........if I was ugly or gave a shit about Twitter.

  • #2
    Think about that line ... three guys... almost 1000 fuckin pounds!! With four beasts behind him and a good secondary.

    1000 pounds, 3 guys.

    As much as the draft couldn't come soon enough, training camp can't come soon enough... or rookie camp, or anything! Let's go!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mission
      Think about that line ... three guys... almost 1000 fuckin pounds!! With four beasts behind him and a good secondary.

      1000 pounds, 3 guys.

      As much as the draft couldn't come soon enough, training camp can't come soon enough... or rookie camp, or anything! Let's go!
      Exactly...the whole point of this thread is saying that not only did we solve needs but somehow Ted pulled it off and gave us a beasting mofo D. Pickett is a godsend at DE. So many (including Snake and everyone's grandma thought we didn't have DE's)..well we do now. Pickett is a good DE for our system. With Jenkins back, we don't have to worry about JH or Jolly as much. That BJ pick really helped out our DE situation. Tons of man-love to move around in the 3 DL. You ain't gonna move Pickett at DE or BJ at NG, thus, the whole point of the 3-4....frees it for the LB's....and all our guys can fly and/or pass rush. Then look at our secondary which has beasted for years...

      Insane D on paper...Snake expects to see a big time D under those players and esp. Dom Caper, Kevin Greene, and our Pittsburgh Safety Coach (forgot his name). If we fail on D, this year, coaches, GM's, and players will be gone. No excuses. Too much talent and good 3-4 expertise to fail....
      Snake's Twitter comments would be LEGENDARY.........if I was ugly or gave a shit about Twitter.

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      • #4
        Raji makes us better immediately, not only b/c of his talent, but b/c he will make everyone around him better... offenses will have to account for Raji, and that will free other people up to make plays.

        That said, we still have some pretty pedestrian players on that side of the ball... but Raji and Matthews are a step in the right direction.
        wist

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        • #5
          I'm sorry, but I cannot get excited about any defense that starts Bigby. Doesn't matter how fat or potentially talented the line is if there's always going to an open TE or slot running free across or down the field.
          "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mission
            Think about that line ... three guys... almost 1000 fuckin pounds!! With four beasts behind him and a good secondary.

            1000 pounds, 3 guys.

            As much as the draft couldn't come soon enough, training camp can't come soon enough... or rookie camp, or anything! Let's go!
            How about if Harrell wins the staring job over Jenkins? 3 guys, combined weight of half a ton, all first round draft picks.

            I'm really hoping that Harrell can beat out Jenkins for that spot, because that would mean that a) he's pretty damn good at the job, and b) we fans will get a chance to see the exceptional talent that this guy is. I truly hope he can get healthy and back to form.
            Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SkinBasket
              I'm sorry, but I cannot get excited about any defense that starts Bigby. Doesn't matter how fat or potentially talented the line is if there's always going to an open TE or slot running free across or down the field.
              I cannot get excited about a defense coordinated by somebody that expects his SS to cover slot WR's in M2M coverage.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Waldo
                Originally posted by SkinBasket
                I'm sorry, but I cannot get excited about any defense that starts Bigby. Doesn't matter how fat or potentially talented the line is if there's always going to an open TE or slot running free across or down the field.
                I cannot get excited about a defense coordinated by somebody that expects his SS to cover slot WR's in M2M coverage.
                I expect Bigby will be playing closer to the LOS this year anyway, not left out in coverage all the time. He's a hitter, and he'll be used in run support. I have no problem with him being in at SS.
                Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                • #9
                  Harrell

                  Originally posted by Gunakor
                  Originally posted by mission
                  Think about that line ... three guys... almost 1000 fuckin pounds!! With four beasts behind him and a good secondary.

                  1000 pounds, 3 guys.

                  As much as the draft couldn't come soon enough, training camp can't come soon enough... or rookie camp, or anything! Let's go!
                  How about if Harrell wins the staring job over Jenkins? 3 guys, combined weight of half a ton, all first round draft picks.

                  I'm really hoping that Harrell can beat out Jenkins for that spot, because that would mean that a) he's pretty damn good at the job, and b) we fans will get a chance to see the exceptional talent that this guy is. I truly hope he can get healthy and back to form.

                  Counting on Harrell is nothing but a dream. The fact that they keep saying they are being "careful" with him speaks volumes. If after all this time has gone by, and the guy still is'nt back to healthy, forget about him.

                  It's obvious he has some serious problems with his back and I don't believe for a second they will ever fully heal.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Harrell

                    Originally posted by Packnut
                    Originally posted by Gunakor
                    Originally posted by mission
                    Think about that line ... three guys... almost 1000 fuckin pounds!! With four beasts behind him and a good secondary.

                    1000 pounds, 3 guys.

                    As much as the draft couldn't come soon enough, training camp can't come soon enough... or rookie camp, or anything! Let's go!
                    How about if Harrell wins the staring job over Jenkins? 3 guys, combined weight of half a ton, all first round draft picks.

                    I'm really hoping that Harrell can beat out Jenkins for that spot, because that would mean that a) he's pretty damn good at the job, and b) we fans will get a chance to see the exceptional talent that this guy is. I truly hope he can get healthy and back to form.

                    Counting on Harrell is nothing but a dream. The fact that they keep saying they are being "careful" with him speaks volumes. If after all this time has gone by, and the guy still is'nt back to healthy, forget about him.

                    It's obvious he has some serious problems with his back and I don't believe for a second they will ever fully heal.
                    I never said I'd count on him. I said I'm hoping he gets healthy and WINS the starting job. That means he'd have earned it. That's what I want to see.

                    I'm surprised at those who'd give up on a first round pick after just 2 years. Are you a doctor that would know if his back would ever heal?
                    Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gunakor
                      Originally posted by Waldo
                      Originally posted by SkinBasket
                      I'm sorry, but I cannot get excited about any defense that starts Bigby. Doesn't matter how fat or potentially talented the line is if there's always going to an open TE or slot running free across or down the field.
                      I cannot get excited about a defense coordinated by somebody that expects his SS to cover slot WR's in M2M coverage.
                      I expect Bigby will be playing closer to the LOS this year anyway, not left out in coverage all the time. He's a hitter, and he'll be used in run support. I have no problem with him being in at SS.
                      I don't buy moving him to the LOS solving his problems. Sure, hiding his inadequacies will help, but he's still a DB, and he's still going to have to try to defend the pass every now and again. Unless the ball is in front of him, which is less likely if he's pushed up to the line more often, he fails. Poor angles, poor positioning, poor speed.

                      Of course, he still takes bad angles on RBs too and he isn't any faster the closer to the LOS he gets, so I'm not all that excited about him playing the line either.

                      Here's to hoping one of those other guys has some kind of revelation this off season and becomes average enough to start.
                      "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                      • #12
                        Bigby is to Skin what Sharper was to Mad.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Re: Harrell

                          Originally posted by Packnut
                          Originally posted by Gunakor
                          Originally posted by mission
                          Think about that line ... three guys... almost 1000 fuckin pounds!! With four beasts behind him and a good secondary.

                          1000 pounds, 3 guys.

                          As much as the draft couldn't come soon enough, training camp can't come soon enough... or rookie camp, or anything! Let's go!
                          How about if Harrell wins the staring job over Jenkins? 3 guys, combined weight of half a ton, all first round draft picks.

                          I'm really hoping that Harrell can beat out Jenkins for that spot, because that would mean that a) he's pretty damn good at the job, and b) we fans will get a chance to see the exceptional talent that this guy is. I truly hope he can get healthy and back to form.

                          Counting on Harrell is nothing but a dream. The fact that they keep saying they are being "careful" with him speaks volumes. If after all this time has gone by, and the guy still is'nt back to healthy, forget about him.

                          It's obvious he has some serious problems with his back and I don't believe for a second they will ever fully heal.
                          What you "believe" is kinda irrelavent. I don't have a clue if JH is going to be healthy finally, but frankly neither do you.

                          I have no idea your age, or experience, but guys do get healthy. Paul Molitor was hurt every single year forever, and suddenly got healthy and got 3000 hits. There are many other examples, but that one jumps to mind. Again, you could be right, but your level of hysteria and certainty speaks volumes about you as a person.
                          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                          • #14
                            We'll see what happens...TT did one of the things he had to do to give his coaching staff a chance at making the new defense work but it's only April after all.
                            C.H.U.D.

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                            • #15
                              I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Capers throws in a lot of 4-3 looks, at least to start the year.

                              Kampman-Pickett-Raji-Jenkins
                              Hawk-Barnett-Matthews

                              isn't a bad front 7 from a 4-3 base at all. The problem we had last year is that once Jenkins went down, we had zero DEs to take his place.
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