So, which ones (Packer vets) will be cut?

[pbmax]

Also about Chad, remember that McCarthy got after the offense in mid-season to pick up the tempo and intensity at practice and suddenly the guys who had a day to rest were practicing more often. That might continue.

[Ballboy]

I know this comment will be laughed at but I think Clifton maybe one of our last cuts. TT & more so MM have talked about the weekly swapping out of players on the OL for various reasons including injury. Clifton is up in years and seems NEVER to be able to practice due to injury.

I suspect, even if none of these rookies really shine, TT & MM might make the tough choice to let him go to try and build a little week to week cohesion(sp?) amoung the front 5. Colledge-??-Spitz-Sitton-?? would be the front 5 today.....who would win out the remaining spots?

You can still stop the musical chairs and deal with Chad needing a day or two off. If you are concerned about Colledge (and he has been steadily getting better, at this point they may not worry about him at Guard) then you leave him at LG in practice and you line up the depth chart backup at LT and practice with the second stringer. Even if on short notice (Game Day inactive or game injury) you might still slide Colledge to LT and bring in another guard because he is the sixth best O Lineman, you can still commit to not sliding everyone around at practice.

Its not like Colledge hasn't been out on the edge before and in an emergency he can go there. If you have a week's notice and Chad's unavailable, then all bets are off.

But I think McCarthy/Philbin/Campen are talking about the backups moving all around. Barbre at RG, LG and RT. Moll at RG and RT. Don't remember where Breno practiced outside of RT. If these guys need to develop faster, then they need more reps at one spot.

Look what Sitton accomplished because as a rookie he had them excited about an upgrade at RG and out of fear of him not being ready, they refused to slide him around. And, except for an injury slowing him down, he damn near made it.

I was figuring that College would be LT, ?? at left guard, Spitz at center, Sitton at RG and then ?? at right tackle. I don't think you can line up backups at LT as that is the most important position on the line, that is why my thought is to put College their all the time. Clifton missing practice doesn't allow for the unit to work together in the "timing" of the ZBS.

[rbaloha1]

A trade is another possibility for Nick Collins if he holds out for too long or too much. His exchange value is likely peaking and Underwood might project better at safety.

Trading Collins is a mistake. Big time playmaker must remain a Packer.

[Lurker64]

The whole Collins issue is a nonstory at this point. The following facts are apparent:

1) Collins is not attending a voluntary workout as is his right as an NFL player.
2) Collins is thinking about signing a new contract, because his is set to expire after this year.

People are just inferring things that I don't think they can reasonably infer at this point.

[Patler]

I think 7 is the minimum WR/TE on the 53-man, which McCarthy did in 07.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29221624.html

Could be, but I don't think that is typical situation for a team that relies on passing as much as the Packers do. In 2007 the Packers didn't have real good depth yet in that area. To get to 7 they had to keep both Martin (who wasn't as good then) and Holiday. To keep an 8th would have really been scratching the bottom. They protected themselves by immediately signing 2 TEs, (Ryan Krause and Clark Harris) and 2 WRs (Clowney and Francis) to the practice squad. The only TE/WRs not kept in one way or another from the final 73 were Zac Alcorn, Shaun Bodiford, and Calvin Russell, and Bodiford was re-signed later.

[Joemailman]

OL: Tauscher and Moll are gone; Wells is iffy.

RB: Lumpkin-Seems undrafted RB's who look good one year never make it the next year.

TE: Humphrey

DL: Montgomery

LB: Lansanah

S: Peprah

[Gunakor]

RB: Lumpkin-Seems undrafted RB's who look good one year never make it the next year.

How about 7th round RB's who don't even look good one year?

I think Wynn is gone. I like Lumpkin, so long as he's recovered from last year's injury.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Wynn is gone. I like Lumpkin, so long as he's recovered from last year's injury.

Lumpkin showed me more in his brief playing time than Wynn has, but the coaches seem something in Wynn. Should be a good battle. Don't count out another player ends up being the #3 RB--perhaps Sutton or somebody that becomes available after final cuts,

[CaliforniaCheez]

Saftey-(4) Bigby, Rouse, Collins, Bush

CB- (6) Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Underwood, Blackmon

LB- (8) Kampmann, Hawk, Matthews, Poppinga, Chiller, Bishop, Barnett, Hunter

DE- (5) Jolly, Jenkins, Montgomery, Harrell, Wynn,

NT-(2) Pickett, Raji

T- (5) Barbre, Clifton, Merideth, Lang, Moll

G- (3) Colledge, Spitz, Sitton

C- (1) Wells

TE- (3) Lee, Finley, Moore

WR- (5) Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin

QB- (3) Rodgers, Brohm, Flynn

RB- (3) Grant, Jackson, Lumpkin

FB- (2) Hall, Johnson

PK- Crosby

P- To be signed near final cuts

LS - Goode

There's 53.

Thompson, Lasanah, DeShawn Wynn, Swain, Giacomini, LB Jones, Bledsoe, Malone on the practice squad.

Goodbye, Kuhn, Humphrey, Tauscher(see you next year), Havner, Peprah.

It's a cruel world.

[boiga]

Collins isn't a holdout. He's skipping voluntary work. He's a holdout when he starts skipping mandatory stuff. If he starts skipping mandatory stuff, maybe. Until then, he's our starter at FS coming off of an All-Pro season. He's not at risk of being cut.

Trading Collins is a mistake. Big time playmaker must remain a Packer.

It depends on what kind of contract he is expecting. I was impressed by his improvement last season, but he tailed off his productivity late in the year. It's premature to predict, but if he threatens to skip training camp hoping to become the best paid safety in the league, I won't cry should Ted shop him around.

[Fritz]

Not sure why so many people seem so willing to ditch Collins. Guy took three years to develop - why would you want to send him elsewhere?

As for the roster and Patler's original question, I won't go down the list. I will say that Lansanah will have a fight on his hands as will Hunter (though he's a special teams demon).

As for running back, I'll predict they'll keep one fullback and have Wynn serve as a backup full back, so they can keep Lumpkin, Grant, and Jackson. We'll see if the FA kid can unseat Lumpkin.

My guess is that they'll stash their free agent receivers on the practice squad unless/until someone offers one of them a job with a roster spot on another team. Then MM and TT will have to make a decision.

Offensive line looks cloudy to me. I dunno. Wells seems to be on his last legs in GB unless Einstein Preston turns out to look completely useless in camp. Moll's in for the fight of his life, too.

The defensive line is the big question mark, much of its composition depending on Jolly's trial and possible suspension by Goodell, and Harrell's back. My guess is that in the best case scenario they have Montgomery and Wynn duke it out, and if Monty wins the backup job they could try to stash Wynn on the practice squad.

Geez. I guess I pretty much covered it.

[Bretsky]

Trade Collins; are you kidding ? Dude is a playmaker. He's always had a great first stop on the break and acceleration to the ball. Before last year he just had way too many drops. Last year he put it together. He's coming into his prime. At worst he's a solid player. At best he develops more into a borderline star.

I'm with Skin; ditch Bigby if anybody. Ah, they don't have squat behind these guys anyways so might as well keep em both.

But you definitely keep Collins

[3irty1]

OL (9) - Clifton, College, Spitz, Sitton, Barbre, Preston, Lang, Merideth, Giacomini

One of the better battles in camp. Wells is replaced by Spitz with Preston as the emergency center. It wouldn't surprise me if Moll beats out Barbre or Giacomini but I have him as the odd man out.

WR (5) - Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Simmons

The more versatile Simmons beats out Martin who will probably go to the Bears and destroy us for years to come.

TE (2) - Lee, Finley

Only two TE for now. Whether Humphrey makes the team depends on his versatility and special teams.

FB (2) - Hall, Johnson

In the future it would be nice to carry just one but both should be good special teamers and will stick.

QB (3) - Rodgers, Brohm, Flynn

RB (3) - Grant, Jackson, Wynn

Lumpkin just won't make as much of his opportunities as Wynn. If someone else can prove their value as a 3DB or on special teams then they could beat out Wynn but I don't know who that guy is.

DL (7) - Pickett, Raji, Jenkins, Harrell, Jolly, Montgomery, Malone


Rookie goes to the PS. Amazing how much better this group looks with Raji's name in the mix. I expect them all to contribute over the course of the year.

LB (9) - Kampman, Hawk, Barnett, Mathews, Poppinga, Chillar, Thompson, Hunter, Jones

Bishop could make the cut but he seems pretty buried on this roster. I thought I heard McCarthy mention his name as a possible backup at any of the LB positions. If he still believes that then Bishop could take Hunter's spot. Jones seems like a special teams demon with legitimate upside--I think he makes the team. If Bishop is indeed the odd man out he immediately starts for the Lions and puts Ryan Grant in the hospital twice a year.

DB (10) - Harris, Woodson, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, Collins, Bigby, Smith, Rouse, Bush

Bush and Rouse will both compete with Underwood who seems like he has all the same special teams strengths as Bush. Any or both could be replaced by Underwood freeing up a roster spot. Who knows how Capers feels about Rouse anyways.

K/P/LS (3) - Crosby, Brooks, Goode

[HarveyWallbangers]

OL (9) - Clifton, College, Spitz, Sitton, Barbre, Preston, Lang, Merideth, Giacomini

One of the better battles in camp. Wells is replaced by Spitz with Preston as the emergency center. It wouldn't surprise me if Moll beats out Barbre or Giacomini but I have him as the odd man out.

Of the guys battling at RT, I think Barbre has the most talent. I'd love for him to win that competition.

[HarveyWallbangers]

FB (2) - Hall, Johnson

In the future it would be nice to carry just one but both should be good special teamers and will stick.

Am I the only one that thinks Kuhn was actually better than Hall last year?