Report: “Favre Can’t Stand Green Bay”

[th87]

If this is true, Favre is the most relentlessly hardheaded person I've ever heard of.

Even Jordan (some say he was forced out) didn't fight tooth and nail to be traded to the Knicks.

To answer Partial's question, if I felt like I was chucked out by a company (which of course, didn't happen - he left on his own), I'd want to get back at them for a while. But then I'd realize I'm an adult, and that there are more important things in life than being consumed with vengeance.

[th87]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

He threw for 6 TDs in a game last season, dont really think he is making a fool of himself. Also wasn't his arm hurt during the end of the season when he started to struggled?

Notice he said the end of last year? When the Jets literally collapsed and most of it due to Favre's horrible play.

This is a moronic statement to make. Those Jets, which were abysmal the year before whilest the Packer were great, were the dominant team in the NFL before Favre got hurt, while the Packers struggled mightly throughout the season.

While your second statement is technically true, it doesn't preclude Danno's statement either.

Favre's horrible play DID contribute to the Jets collapse. 1-9 TD-Int ratio. Of course, Favre's good play did contribute to the Jets success.

Other factors to consider include that the Jets were badly injured in 2007, and enjoyed relative health in 2008, while the Packers enjoyed relative health in 2007, while suffering from injury in 2008.

So no, it's not really a moronic statement to make at all.

[th87]

Wow. I hope this isn't true. But, I must admit, it was my feeling after watching Greta's interview...

Revenge rarely works. But, WOW. This is really sad if true.

I don't think it's that sad personally. Say a company kicked you to the curb for some young 'up and comer'. Wouldn't you want to make them pay for the disservice? I know I sure would.

I wouldn't be too worried about it if the company paid me 50-100 million for my time with them. Especially if it was a "beat making" company and what I loved doing more than anything was making beats... what a good fit!

I'd actually be pretty appreciative of every opportunity they've given me, even if I ran with those chances when I got them. Around 20 million, I'd start to think about vacations and investments and how quickly I can retire using my money to work for me.

But you know, that's just me.

But if you loved making beats, it wouldn't be about the money at all.

It would be a pride thing and you want the world to know you are one of thee most pasionate and best beat makers to have ever beaten a beat.

And its the only thing you know how to do.

If he was working for Timbaland and retired, and they brought in a new guy, he probably wouldn't try to cry his way to Scott Storch just to get Timbaland back. His love of beatmaking would be enough, and anybody who'd let him do that would be good enough.

Therein lies the difference.

[LL2]

It will be very sad to see Brett play another year. He was terrible at the end of the season last year. He is ruining his legacy and making a fool out of himself.

And also make an ass of himself. He has nothing to prove to the football world and its fans, but he must feel he has everything to prove to MM and TT.

[Scott Campbell]

If this is true, Favre is the most relentlessly hardheaded person I've ever heard of.

Even Jordan (some say he was forced out) didn't fight tooth and nail to be traded to the Knicks.

To answer Partial's question, if I felt like I was chucked out by a company (which of course, didn't happen - he left on his own), I'd want to get back at them for a while. But then I'd realize I'm an adult, and that there are more important things in life than being consumed with vengeance.

If Brett really wanted to get back at them, he should have played better. As it is, he just reinforced that the Packers did the right thing at the right time.

[Rastak]

I think we're a long way away from Brett wearing purple. A few things have to be realized to his satisfaction before it could happen.

1) The StarCaps lawsuit probably needs to be resolved in favor of the Williamses, since if you remove Pat and Kevin for the first four games of the season, that's going to put Minnesota in a sizable hole. The court date for this is sometime in June, so don't expect a decision out of Favre for a couple of months.

I don't completely agree with this. If they miss four games, it stings but certainly doesn't sink them. They don't play any great running teams the first 4 weeks and they do have some options with Fred Evans, who I like as a replacement for Pat Williams and getting Robison on the field more. It would be a hit but wouldn't detroy the defense.

2) Favre has to be sure that his shoulder is healed. After last season Favre passed up on some surgery that would heal his injured shoulder, instead opting to let it gradually heal over time. How far along are we in this process? He probably hasn't been throwing much, what with the injury, will he be ready in time?

Completely agree with this. Plus, knowing Favre he'll not bother showing up until he has too to, even to do the mental preperation. So it's a combination of the physical condition and his mental approach.

3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.

Here lies the main question for me. There is no way in hell I'd declare him the starter and bring him in. Too many questions....way too many. I personally wouldn't mind him in camp, and if he's the best guy, I'd be fine with him starting. But I would absolutely make it clear to him he'd have to win the job. I would give him a heavily incentive laden contract that would pay him well as a starter, but far less as a backup and nothing if he fails to make the team. Now you might stroke his ego saying privately that your confident he'd win the job but at the end of the day I'd make him actually earn it in camp.

I do admit it would be sort of humorously ironic though that if Brett Favre is so overcome with his hatred of the Green Bay Packers that he signs with their archrival, and then loses a fair competition for the starting Quarterback role, and is cut in favor of keeping a young, inexpensive player with some upside in the backup role.

I'm still hoping though that the reports of Favre hating the Packers are significantly overstated, and that he just stays at home and enjoys the retired life.

That could easily happen. Easily.

As far as hating Green bay, I doubt he does. I believe he really does hate Thompson though and you'll probably never see him associated with the team until he's gone. Just my feeling after all that's gone down.

[MJZiggy]

3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.

Here lies the main question for me. There is no way in hell I'd declare him the starter and bring him in. Too many questions....way too many. I personally wouldn't mind him in camp, and if he's the best guy, I'd be fine with him starting. But I would absolutely make it clear to him he'd have to win the job. I would give him a heavily incentive laden contract that would pay him well as a starter, but far less as a backup and nothing if he fails to make the team. Now you might stroke his ego saying privately that your confident he'd win the job but at the end of the day I'd make him actually earn it in camp.

Isn't this exactly what the Packers did last year, but at full contract?

[Rastak]

3) Favre has to determine to his satisfaction that he would be anointed the starter if he landed in Minnesota, since the man absolutely detests training camp and there is a non-negligible chance that in a fair competition, Sage (who is young and has upside) might beat out Brett (who is old, and declining). If there's any chance that Favre might not end up as the starter and get relegated to backup duty or even cut, he's not going to take that chance. He's a proud man, and he's got plenty of money.

Here lies the main question for me. There is no way in hell I'd declare him the starter and bring him in. Too many questions....way too many. I personally wouldn't mind him in camp, and if he's the best guy, I'd be fine with him starting. But I would absolutely make it clear to him he'd have to win the job. I would give him a heavily incentive laden contract that would pay him well as a starter, but far less as a backup and nothing if he fails to make the team. Now you might stroke his ego saying privately that your confident he'd win the job but at the end of the day I'd make him actually earn it in camp.

Isn't this exactly what the Packers did last year, but at full contract?

A couple of thoughts on this actually.

1) I think Favre thought of himself as the big man on campus in Green Bay so it doesn't surprise me if he was taken aback by the thought of fair compeition.

2) I'm not really sure that is exactly what the Packers offered. I don't think any of us know all the details as to what really happened, but I've gone on record many times as to how I personally thought the Packers should have handled it. I wouldn't have made a circus of it. It would have been rather simple.

BF: Hey guys, I have decided to come back!

MM: Great Brett, we're glad to hear that. I must warn you since you quit we installed Rodgers as the starter. Since he's been up here all offseason it would be unfair for us to move him down at this point. We'll see you in camp Brett and if you outplay him, you'll find yourself right back on the top of the depth chart. See you in August. Later.


No acrimonious conversation, no debates, no pressers. Coming back? Ok, see you in camp.

[ahaha]

This could be such a huge disaster for Favre. There is a lot of Favre hate here in the Twin Cities. Sure, most fans would put that aside and get excited about the Vikes with Favre. There would be widespread Super Bowl expectations. If he started to fade down the stretch, and the team floundered, Viking fans would turn on him in a heartbeat. I could see those last few home games being a hate fest for a broken down football legend who broke the hearts of Viking fans once again.

[MJZiggy]

Ras, I agree with both points bt it leads me to two questions.

1. If they'd said that, how do we know he wouldn't have pulled the same stunts as he was the "big man on campus?"

2. How do we know they didn't do that and he made a circus of it anyway. The team really didn't say a whole lot during that mess which is exactly what pissed some people off to begin with. You know how fans love the play-by-play.

[Rastak]

Ras, I agree with both points bt it leads me to two questions.

1. If they'd said that, how do we know he wouldn't have pulled the same stunts as he was the "big man on campus?"

2. How do we know they didn't do that and he made a circus of it anyway. The team really didn't say a whole lot during that mess which is exactly what pissed some people off to begin with. You know how fans love the play-by-play.

Well, 1 can lead to a circus so I agree it's very possible. Unless Favre was lying, he said when he called McCarthy he said "Brett, geez, you putting us in a difficult position. Geez, we moved forward. Aw, this isn't good Brett"

I think that whole attitude is what set him off on his quest. Hell, McCarthy said he needed to sit down with favre and be 100% sure he wanted to come back. Why?

Dude, show up for camp, win the job or you'll be a backup or cut. No need for the acrimony. It should have been a short conversation. Ok, see ya in August.

[sheepshead]

Everyone knows I'm not a Favre fan (the person or the player lately).

I'm hoping there is a day he realizes nobody was out to get him and they were just doing their job.

I'm starting to think this is going to happen. He could squash all of this INSTANTLY by just saying he's retired. He's letting this thing drag out. I think he's a year late going to the Vikings, but I'm sure he's better than TJack and probably better than Sage even at this point in his career when he has less than zero mobility and has a solid but nothing special arm.


I'm not going to throw darts at the guy. Done is done. Him playing for the Vikes doesn't change what I think of him. It would be a lot of fun to watch though. I kind of hope it happens. It's the right spot for him, but I don't think he's good enough and I know the Vikes are supposed to be on the rise, but AP isn't getting any better, neither is Jared Allen, neither is their OL, neither is Pat or Kevin. They don't have a lot of young up and comers. I just don't think they're all that great, even with Favre in his current state. Favre of 5 years ago, yeah, they're legit. This Favre, I really don't think he's very good so I don't think he'll make much of a difference.

Holy Shit man, how can you not be a fan of his and spend any time here?
It defies logic really.

[falco]

Holy Shit man, how can you not be a fan of his and spend any time here?
It defies logic really.

I don't think you need to be a Favre fan to be a Packer fan. I liked Favre when he was here, but man was he a frustrating QB to have.

[Gunakor]

I don't think you need to be a Favre fan to be a Packer fan.

QFT

[sheepshead]

So you guys sat every Sunday from 1992 - 2007 and said to yourselves, put so-and-so in? This guys sucks. You hated every minute? I am having a difficult time believing someone can be a Packer (hell, a football fan)fan and not admire what he has accomplished on the field and in his personal life.