Sunday, November 1 - 12pm Central - Boo or Cheer?

[mraynrand]

Fuck you, Asshole.

[Pacopete4]

Fuck you, Asshole.

he looks like a sheep haha

[Scott Campbell]

he looks like a sheep haha

Especially to this guy:

[Tony Oday]

I do not want to see his jersey retired because that is for elite talent both on and off the field for the organization and yourself. He is going to a hated rival and has said he hates GB because he couldn't rule it and found out he has a boss. I say screw the guy that EVERYONE thought they could go out for a beer with, he has shown his true colors.

lol the first crutch of the person that can't argue his point...

I don't wanna argue. You're just being a huge baby. I mean honestly on and off the field? We wont touch Brett's on the field stuff cuz I'm sure ur well aware of all that stuff. But off the field? Serious? The guy gives back a ton every single year, a lot more than most pro athletes and you're gonna stick your nose up at the guy because of something you really don't have all the answers to? Favre, yes.. maybe he has messed up in the past year but to blame it solely on him and then just throw out all the good things hes done because your a fuckin baby and cant deal with him playing for an opponent? Thats crazy talk man.. crazy.. be thankful we had him for 16 seasons.. I know I sure as hell am.

Oh and Ps. I'd still love to have a beer with him and I bet u'd pee your pants if he wanted to have one with you too.. talk about crazy.. grow up Peter Pan..

Actually no I wouldnt have a beer with him anymore, though I do like the Wedding Crashers quote.

No I do not think he should have a retired jersey. He is a HOF for sure and should be in the Packer Hall as well. I am saying a person/player should support his club. He turned his back on us when he left...not because he left but because in the manner that he did it. There was no doubt he wanted out or his own way and that is childish. If he would have left and let by gones be by gones I would totally love him to have #4 retired.

Now he is an above average QB that is pissed because the sun doesn't rise out of his head and set in his ass. I do not wish the guy harm in any way I just do not think that he should have the honor of getting his jersey retired.

[Fosco33]

Pretty soon we'll really be able to call him a DRAMA QUEEN

[Waldo]

His true colors have come out.

[Scott Campbell]

No I do not think he should have a retired jersey.

I still think they should retire his jersey, but I'd just mount it in one of the ladies bathrooms instead of inside the stadium.

[MJZiggy]

I have a friend who wants to come and wear a Skins jersey (he's a local, whaddaya want?) and boo Favre with all his might. Thinks he should have let the retirement stick the first time.

[gbgary]

[Sparkey]

Honestly I hope we don't retire his jersey anymore either. He would just turn that into a forum to bad mouth the franchise that made him...

They could always do the thing they did with Paul Hornung's #5 jersey, where they don't officially retire it... they just don't give it to anybody else. Considering that Hornung was one of the greatest players of all time at his position and he won four championships, it's not like Favre has an absolutely clear case as being more worthy than Paul.

What is the deal with Hornung's number not being retired anyway?

just another horshit move by the Packers organization.. plain and simple

Just an FYI for you ... courtesy of Lee Remmel

The specific jersey involved in the ceremony honoring Reggie White, conducted at halftime of a game against Tampa Bay in Lambeau Field, Oct. 10, 1999, was indeed retired but -- an important distinction, the number was not. There have been only four Packers jersey numbers officially retired -- those of Don Hutson (14), Tony Canadeo (3), Ray Nitschke (66) and Bart Starr (15) -- and Packers Corporation policy currently prohibits retiring any additional numbers.

With respect to whether or not Hornung should be considered for the honor, I think a valid case could be made for retiring Paul's No. 5, based on the fact that he led the NFL in scoring three consecutive seasons (1959-60-61) and still holds the league single-season scoring record (176 points in 1960, a 14-game season); plus he remains the fourth-ranking scorer in team history, holds the club record for most points scored in a single game, 33, against the Baltimore Colts in 1961, and is the only player in the team's 84-year-old NFL history to have scored five touchdowns in a single game (against the Colts in 1965). But, it should be noted, there are others who also would qualify, notably Forrest Gregg, a nine-time Pro Bowl and eight-time all-pro selection, and Willie Wood, an eight-time Pro Bowler.

At one time there was an erroneous presumption that Hornung's number had been retired, a presumption that may still exist in certain quarters. It stemmed from a comment Vince Lombardi made during the Packers' then annual outing for the state's sports media at Oneida Golf and Riding Club in July of 1967. He announced, during a press conference, that "as long as I am with the Packers, Paul Hornung's number will never be reissued."

Lombardi, however, was to remain in Green Bay only another 20 months before accepting an offer to become vice president, general manager and head coach of the Washington Redskins in February of 1969.

The subject had arisen because, earlier in 1967, Lombardi had placed Hornung's name in the expansion draft for the New Orleans Saints, who were entering the NFL as an expansion team, and Hornung subsequently had decided to retire.
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Also, the NFL frowns on teams retiring numbers. Jerseys are often retired, but not the numbers.

[Zool]

I boo any and all players on the Vikings and Bears regardless of past achievements. I would stay quiet during the intro to take in the crowd reaction then talk shit about him the rest of the game.

Man, imagine if Robin Yount had played a year or 2 with the Cubs? I remember booing the hell out of Molitor in a Twins uni. You're either with us, or against us. There's no middle ground.

[Scott Campbell]

Honestly I hope we don't retire his jersey anymore either. He would just turn that into a forum to bad mouth the franchise that made him...

They could always do the thing they did with Paul Hornung's #5 jersey, where they don't officially retire it... they just don't give it to anybody else. Considering that Hornung was one of the greatest players of all time at his position and he won four championships, it's not like Favre has an absolutely clear case as being more worthy than Paul.

What is the deal with Hornung's number not being retired anyway?

just another horshit move by the Packers organization.. plain and simple

A friend at another forum asked me to pass this along:


Mr. Bad Example

Hornung was the beneficiary of all the talent around him, perhaps moreso than any other Packer of that era.

First off, he's about as marginal a HoF'er as it gets.

Secondly, if we retired the numbers of all Packers in the Hall of Fame, GB would have to start issuing jerseys with numbers in the triple digits.

CheeseCityFan

I respectfully disagree. Inside the 20 Hornung was a special player with a nose for the goal. His presence elevated the confidence of his teammates. His ability to run, catch passes, throw passes, and placekick has not been seen since--176 points scored in a twelve game season was remarkable.

Mr. Bad Example

Led the league in scoring three times - not bad.

Never lead the league - heck, never had a TOP FIVE FINISH - in any other category (asterisk because of his leading the league in tds in '60, which directly played into his leading the league in scoring that year).

The reason he had those 3 league-leading seasons were because he was a decent enough player who scored tds (and again, for a "special player with a nose for the goal" he had 15 tds in his tremendous 1960 campaign, 47 - an average of about 6 a year - for the rest of his career) but mainly because he was also the KICKER for a prolific offense. What sort of totals would, say, an Emmitt Smith or Ladanian Tomlinson rack up if they were allowed to put all extra points through, or attempt FGs (which they'd only have to hit at a 47% clip)? They're good athletes, they could probably manage it (Hornungs '60 season was 176 pts in 12 games - 14 pts a game, let's call it; LT's '06 season, if he'd kicked SD's 58 XP at a 90% clip would have resulted in a staggering 238 pts, or about 15 pts a game - WITHOUT FGs; if he makes 13 of 29 FG attempts, it goes up to mind-boggling 277 pts/17 pts a game).

Was Hornung's '60 season a singularly impressive feat, as it stands? You bet. His '61 season was right behind it. But a Hall of Famer needs to have at least a 5 year window of dominance, except, perhaps, in cases of truly transcendant athletes (like Gale Sayers). Aside from prolific scoring tallies for a couple, three years, while he was surrounded by Hall of Fame talent, no less, Hornung's career is remarkably unremarkable for a Hall of Famer.



The whole "nose for the goal" thing isn't necessarily borne out by the number either - if you want to quibble about '57 and '58, go ahead, but I'm not messing with them - Hornung scored 3 and 2 rushing tds on horrid Packer teams. In '59, he scored 7, one more than Jim Taylor on 32 more carries. '60 was the year that probably put him in the Hall of Fame. In '61, Jim Taylor nearly doubled his rushing td output, 15-8 (carries per td for both were about 16-1); in '62 Taylor scored 19 tds, Hornung 5 (Taylor scored a td once every 14 carries, Hornung once every 11); '64 Taylor 12, Hornung 5 (Taylor a hair under once every 20 carries, Hornung a smidge over); '65, Hornung finally tremendously outpaces Taylor on the per-carry td front (once every 18 for Hornung, once every 50 for Taylor), but both are smoked by Elijah Pitts, who scores once every 14 carries. '66, never mind (trust me, don't even look - it's ugly for Paul and Jimmy).

In '67, Donny Anderson and Elijah Pitts apparently took over the Hornung role - Anderson scored once every 16 carries, Pitts once every 13.



Now, I love the Golden Boy, you love the Golden Boy, we all love the Golden Boy, but facts are facts - his td numbers were exceptional in ONE year; his scoring totals were exceptional in TWO years; his overall career rushing and receiving numbers are rather pedestrian. That is not a Pro Football Hall of Fame resume.

[th87]

We are citizens of Packer Nation, and Favre could commit treason (or possibly already has, depending on who you believe).

While Packer Nation isn't close to as serious as our real nation, and thus committing treason against this nation isn't close to as bad, it's as bad of a thing you can do within football.

So my booing will be merciless.

[Pacopete4]

We are citizens of Packer Nation, and Favre could commit treason (or possibly already has, depending on who you believe).

While Packer Nation isn't close to as serious as our real nation, and thus committing treason against this nation isn't close to as bad, it's as bad of a thing you can do within football.

So my booing will be merciless.

I don't get it? Why is he a trader? Because the Packers didn't want him anymore, he's forced to only play on teams that are not rivals of the Packers?... doesn't make sense!

[BobDobbs]

Wow a Favre Thread!

I'd boo him like I'd boo a professional wrestler. Full Gusto, but ultimately it's for the fun of it. IF he actually unretires AGAIN to come back to play for the Vikings at a cap friendly salary this situation becomes farcical, a satire of football. A big fat soap opera.

So on that level I'd love it as drama and entertainment and I'll play along, But I just can't actually care about Brett Favre's ridiculous life anymore.

I think I'd just wait for the team bus to roll up with an old school ghetto blaster boombox and just play the chorus to 'self-destruction' on loop. I should probably do that for the Vikings game every year actually.