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    Ruvell Martin is a great blocking receiver. Jordy Nelson is a great blocking receiver.

    Up until now, Martin hasn't been a great redzone target but he lacks a little suddenness to his game. The new training program really focuses on explosive football movements. If Martin gets a slight edge in his burst off the line (also, in and out of breaks), he'd be able to use his big body and reliable hands well in the redzone. The problem with him so far is that he can't create separation. I think he might be a guy who benefits greatly from this new speed/explosion training.

    Jordy Nelson is a made to order redzone weapon. He catches the ball as good as anyone in traffic. He's got good short area burst to create enough separation. He's got a big body that helps shield off defenders in tight areas. He's also a great blocker.


    In the redzone, it would be interesting to see Nelson and Martin as the receivers because they are both great blocking receivers and big body/possession types that could work well in tight areas.




    5 OL (Spitz/Sitton/Barbre being the drive blockers on the dominate right side)
    Rodgers (can also threaten the edges by rolling out in run/pass options)
    Quinn Johnson (bruiser FB)
    Ryan Grant (north/south runner)
    Donald Lee (solid blocker, good receiver, dual threat)
    Martin/Nelson (very good hands, very good blockers)


    The dominate tendency out of this set would be runs, right. Spitz is a good, strong center. Sitton a good, strong guard and Barbre (if it pans out) a great run blocking tackle. Lee is a good blocker and which ever side you run to has a good blocking WR. Quinn Johnson is a hammer of a FB and Grant is a good north south runner.

    To keep defenses off balance, we could mix in some counter runs to the left or some misdirection runs to the left.

    Then we have an extremely mobile QB that we could roll to the right or left in run/pass options. We could isolate a defender on the weak side (by running misdirection roll outs) with the defender having the option to either go after Rodgers or defend the receiver fading to the back of the endzone.


    You hate to take Jennings and Driver off the field, but if you're serious about running the ball (and I think the Packers are) I think there is some benefit to having a run heavy package. Obviously pro redzone packages are 10X more complex than one personnel package, so Driver and Jennings would see a lot of snaps but as a wrinkle, against teams that have a hard time stopping the run, I think there could be a benefit to a package like this. Troy Aikman says the best redzone offenses start with running the ball. I think teams would have a hard time stopping the run against this group and I think there are enough weapons still where the pass could still be a great surprise element that, in itself, is tough to stop.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    What the heck. Sure. Though Driver is maybe my favorite red zone guy, and I'm a big James Jones fan. I think he's gonna break out this year, and not in pimples.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Fritz
      What the heck. Sure. Though Driver is maybe my favorite red zone guy, and I'm a big James Jones fan. I think he's gonna break out this year, and not in pimples.
      Driver is an average blocker and not a very productive redzone target over the years.

      Jones is a bad blocker (according to the snipets I've read over the last couple years).

      Jennings is a great redzone target but an average at best blocker (and again, this is just one wrinkle, maybe 10% of our redzone plays. Maybe a few snaps every couple weeks when we have a favorable run matchup)



      Clearly this is a pro offense and clearly it's a little more involved than one package. Clearly we have other great weapons that we want teams to prepare for. This is just one wrinkle, that uses some of our weapons in a way that focuses on the RUN first. Driver and Jennings are pass first players. They're average blockers and good receivers. This is our run down your throat package (if we have one) while still maintaining the threat to pass.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fritz
        What the heck. Sure. Though Driver is maybe my favorite red zone guy, and I'm a big James Jones fan. I think he's gonna break out this year, and not in pimples.

        I'm not sure what to think of James Jones; I was excited about him in his rookie preseason. More I see him, the more I think he's just a guy. He's better than Ruvell though.
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          I'm not saying is the starting point of our redzone offense, just a wrinkle.



          Things evolve and coaches learn what they're players do best. If I had to draw up the starting point to our redzone offense (just with what I know now), I'd keep everything like I have it except I'd isolate Jennings as the weakside receiver (to keep the weakside defense honest and slow their flow to the ball). I'd have Nelson as the strong side receiver and run everything else like I discussed above. This takes a little away from the weakside run (because Jennings can't hold a block long enough for a misdirection run to work), but with Jennings over there, the flow to the strong side and to cutback lanes would definitely slow down. There is a give/take. Jenning is our best weapon so you want him on the field, but in some matchups, maybe you'd rather see a good blocker so you can attack their weakside run defense better.

          I still think Rodgers is a unique redzone weapon. I'd ask him to be very careful when he runs, but the way a great passing QB like Rodgers can also really pressure defenses with the run is incredibly unique. Of the top statistical passing QB's from a year ago, Rodgers is one of the only top tier scramblers. I don't like the QB to run, except in the redzone where it puts added pressure on defenses and the stakes are higher. You can also beat it into his head to be careful.
          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bretsky

            I'm not sure what to think of James Jones; I was excited about him in his rookie preseason. More I see him, the more I think he's just a guy. He's better than Ruvell though.
            I'm high on Jones still. I just don't see him really getting a lot of opportunities Jennings, Driver and Nelson seem better right now. That's not a knock on Jones as much as it is a testament to the quality and depth of our recievers.

            Jones is the type of physical dude that can win his one on one matchup. He's going to give safties, linebackers and nickle/dime corners fits all year long.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bretsky


              I'm not sure what to think of James Jones; I was excited about him in his rookie preseason. More I see him, the more I think he's just a guy.



              Big, big season 2009! :P

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrnBay007
                Originally posted by Bretsky


                I'm not sure what to think of James Jones; I was excited about him in his rookie preseason. More I see him, the more I think he's just a guy.



                Big, big season 2009! :P

                This wasn't a preseason game. You don't see too many J.A.G.'s torching Champ Baily. That said, I'd like to see Jones put together an entire season. It's year 3 James - get er done.

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                • #9
                  Dang!! Who threw that ball???

                  :P

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GrnBay007
                    Dang!! Who threw that ball???

                    :P
                    That throw sucked. Missed short by a good 5-7 yards. Jones had to make a big adjustment to catch it. The S didn't see the ball and aimed for where it would land on the sideline if it were a good throw. Woulda clobbered Jones right after he caught it; the adjustment to the underthrown ball caused the S to overshoot and is what led to the TD.

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                    • #11
                      So it turned out to be a good throw, then?
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Waldo
                        Originally posted by GrnBay007
                        Dang!! Who threw that ball???

                        :P
                        That throw sucked. Missed short by a good 5-7 yards. Jones had to make a big adjustment to catch it. The S didn't see the ball and aimed for where it would land on the sideline if it were a good throw. Woulda clobbered Jones right after he caught it; the adjustment to the underthrown ball caused the S to overshoot and is what led to the TD.

                        He made up for it in OT with the Jennings throw. Pure perfection.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Waldo
                          Originally posted by GrnBay007
                          Dang!! Who threw that ball???

                          :P
                          That throw sucked. Missed short by a good 5-7 yards. Jones had to make a big adjustment to catch it. The S didn't see the ball and aimed for where it would land on the sideline if it were a good throw. Woulda clobbered Jones right after he caught it; the adjustment to the underthrown ball caused the S to overshoot and is what led to the TD.

                          I thought that was the great thing about Walker's big season here. He bailed Brett out of a lot of bad throws. He was like Dennis Rodman - unfortunately in more ways than one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fritz
                            So it turned out to be a good throw, then?
                            Lucky, Jones caught sight of it before Champ did and didn't take a misstep like Champ did. If Champ woulda noted the trajectory earlier he probably would have intercepted it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Waldo
                              Originally posted by Fritz
                              So it turned out to be a good throw, then?
                              Lucky, Jones caught sight of it before Champ did and didn't take a misstep like Champ did. If Champ woulda noted the trajectory earlier he probably would have intercepted it.

                              I'm working from memory here, but that would have really made Champ lucky on that play - because Jones had separation.

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