Gil Brandt's comments on Ted Thompson

[ThunderDan]

Warner - Some reporters say he isn't. Sure. I'd believe it. A heck of a lot more then "some" say he is without a doubt in. MVP, 2x superbowl winner, 3x appearance. He's as much of a lock imo as Favre.

Disappeared for years in the middle of his career. The player he replaced and his replacement both put up similar numbers for the Greatest Show On Turf.

Favre was a consistant playoff caliber team QB year after year.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Big Ben - I'd say 2 SB rings in 5 years, 3 championships games is pretty much a lock to go in. He has a good coach and a good young team around him. I would think his team will be back in contention again in the next 8 years or so. Another championship game and he's in imo.

Warner - Some reporters say he isn't. Sure. I'd believe it. A heck of a lot more then "some" say he is without a doubt in. MVP, 2x superbowl winner, 3x appearance. He's as much of a lock imo as Favre.

Your opinion isn't valid.

Ben: He has 2 rings...but, the first one...look at his numbers and what he did...not impressive.

Winning SBs isn't the sole criteria...otherwise the Snake would be in the HOF.

Warner: Some proof about "heck of a lot more." A couple of good/great seasons doesn't cut it.

[Joemailman]

Beginning with his breakout year in 1999, Warner has had 4 outstanding years, 1 decent year, and 5 years where he has been a non-starter or just not very good. An interesting an unusual career, but not HOF material, at least not yet.

[ThunderDan]

If an average QB can throw for 4,000+ yards, why couldn't Favre the HOF QB throw for 5,000+ with the same offensive strategy?

Why don't you give Rodgers a break?

Who cares how many yards he threw for? Don't you agree their is a finite amount of yards one can throw for?

I do. Without yardage the offense doesn't move and your team looses. I absolutely agree there is a finite amount of yardage a QB can throw for. That's what's special about Rodgers throwing for close to that cap.

Favre threw for 4,000+ yards, 5 out of 16 years.

[Partial]

I do. Without yardage the offense doesn't move and your team losses. I absolutely agree there is a finite amount of yardage a QB can throw for. That's what's special about Rodgers throwing for close to that cap.

Favre threw for 4,000+ yards, 5 out of 16 years.

I reiterate.. who cares how many yards you throw for? The Packers couldn't run the ball to save their life last year. There is something to be said for balance.

Furthermore, who cares? It's easy to move the ball inside the 20s.

I don't see why Favre is being brought up at all, nor do I see how Rodgers passing for 4k yards is relevant at all. I personally couldn't give a crap if he threw for 2000 or 4000.

[ThunderDan]

I do. Without yardage the offense doesn't move and your team losses. I absolutely agree there is a finite amount of yardage a QB can throw for. That's what's special about Rodgers throwing for close to that cap.

Favre threw for 4,000+ yards, 5 out of 16 years.

I reiterate.. who cares how many yards you throw for? The Packers couldn't run the ball to save their life last year. There is something to be said for balance.

Furthermore, who cares? It's easy to move the ball inside the 20s.

I don't see why Favre is being brought up at all, nor do I see how Rodgers passing for 4k yards is relevant at all. I personally couldn't give a crap if he threw for 2000 or 4000.

I am sure the Bears feel the same way about their QBs horrible numbers.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Beginning with his breakout year in 1999, Warner has had 4 outstanding years, 1 decent year, and 5 years where he has been a non-starter or just not very good. An interesting an unusual career, but not HOF material, at least not yet.

QFT.

What is funny is watching Partial deride Arod because he had stellar supporting cast....but, then ignore the fact that Warner had HOFs in Faulk, Holt, Bruce....and very good 3 and 4 recievers in Hakim and Proehl.

And, a brilliant OC at the time in Martz...and HOF coach in Vermeil.

[ThunderDan]

I do. Without yardage the offense doesn't move and your team losses. I absolutely agree there is a finite amount of yardage a QB can throw for. That's what's special about Rodgers throwing for close to that cap.

Favre threw for 4,000+ yards, 5 out of 16 years.

I reiterate.. who cares how many yards you throw for? The Packers couldn't run the ball to save their life last year. There is something to be said for balance.

Furthermore, who cares? It's easy to move the ball inside the 20s.

I don't see why Favre is being brought up at all, nor do I see how Rodgers passing for 4k yards is relevant at all. I personally couldn't give a crap if he threw for 2000 or 4000.

Let's see ... if I throw for 2,000 yards its a hell of a lot harder to win than if I throw for 4,000 yards.

Once again I care. To say yardage gained isn't important is plain stupid. You need to move the ball to score.

I brought up Favre because you said Rodgers was a plug-in QB. He had similar numbers to Favre in 2007; does that make Favre a plug-in QB?

[Partial]

Beginning with his breakout year in 1999, Warner has had 4 outstanding years, 1 decent year, and 5 years where he has been a non-starter or just not very good. An interesting an unusual career, but not HOF material, at least not yet.

QFT.

What is funny is watching Partial deride Arod because he had stellar supporting cast....but, then ignore the fact that Warner had HOFs in Faulk, Holt, Bruce....and very good 3 and 4 recievers in Hakim and Proehl.

And, a brilliant OC at the time in Martz...and HOF coach in Vermeil.

I'm not saying I necessarily think he is a star quarterback, I'm saying I think he has the awards and recognition that the HOF voters look for. Big difference. I don't think TAiks is anywhere near as good of a quarterback as a guy like Favre and he's still in.

[Joemailman]

Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and their Super Bowl rings say needing a a top guy at QB, especially to get to the SB, is BS.

Again, why is everything an absolute with you? Sure, it can be done, but history shows it's not nearly as likely. Take this post I made about a month back of recent super bowl winners.

1993 - HOF QB
1994 - HOF QB
1995 - HOF QB
1996 - HOF QB
1997 - HOF QB
1998 - HOF QB
1999 - HOF QB
2000 - HOF QB
2001 - Not HOF QB
2002 - HOF QB
2003 - Not HOF QB
2004 - HOF QB
2005 - HOF QB
2006 - HOF QB
2007 - HOF QB
2008 - Not HOF QB
2009 - HOF QB

3/17, or 17% of the time in the past 17 years has a guy not bound for the HOF won a super bowl. The teams that didn't all had legendary defenses and dominating pass rush.

If the Packers had a dominant defense and running game like the Giants did, I could see A-Rod getting them to a super bowl, sure. If they don't though, no way, and that sort of defense is pretty gosh darn rare.

Pretty tough to dispute those statistics. I'll take my chances with the stud QB

Pretty telling numbers if I do say so myself.

To the rest of you: I hope you're going to be big enough people to eat all the crow you're throwing at me for having a differing opinion. Rodgers has made it through one season. We'll see how he does in another. Luckily for him, I think GJ will resign here and as a result he'll have a bonafide superstar to throw to (think Moss) and that will greatly help his numbers.

Javon Walker had one really good year, too, remember Lets certainly hope ARod doesn't catch a string of injuries like JWalk, but really, all it takes is one to get on that slippery slope.

Although I think you throw around the HOF label a bit loosely, I agree with your overall point. Having an outstanding quarterback greatly improves your Super Bowl chances. As I said in another thread, I think that is because outstanding quarterbacks have longer shelf lives than outstanding defenses or running games. A great quarterback may give you a window of opportunity of a decade or more where you have an opportunity to go to the Super Bowl. The window of opportunity you have with a great defense or running game tends to be much shorter. Hence the Vikings' interest in Favre. They know the window of opportunity they have with the Williams' and Adrian Peterson could close very quickly. I think that also explains TT drafting Aaron Rodgers when he did. He wanted to be set up for long term success after Favre, and felt he had to be strong at quarterback to do it.

[Partial]

Where did I say he's a plugin quarterback? I'm not getting into this again. I have better things to do than debate with people who don't thoroughly read my posts. I've said countless times he's an above average quarterback they can win with given an incredible amount of talent surrounding him. He's not John Elway but he's not Trent Dilfer either.

[Bossman641]

I don't think thats an accurate assessment at all. One would have a very difficult time ranking Rodgers as a blue chipper. Jennings is without a doubt a blue chipper. Best player on the team by far.

Why would one have a difficult time ranking Rodgers as a Blue Chipper? All he did was throw for over 4,000 yards with 32 total touchdowns and 13 INTs...

And? He has a stunning supporting cast. Do you think he's a top 4-5 player at his position in the league? Let's hold the phone before we rank in with PMans and TBrades. He's not even close.

People constantly underestimate how good a season he had. Wins and losses are a team effort. The team had a bad season. The defense in particular had a terrible season as evidenced by the decision to fire just about all of the coaches and change the scheme. Stats are the best way to judge an individual player's performance, and Rodgers' are right up there with just about anyone's....

I wouldn't call Jennings "the team's best player by far." I would say Rodgers is the team's best player, but it's close. Yes, I know I'm in the minority.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with it. There are plenty of quarterbacks you could have plugged in and had similar success. A big reason for this success was Jennings. How many receivers could you plug in and get the kind of success Jennings had? Not many.

[ThunderDan]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with it. There are plenty of quarterbacks you could have plugged in and had similar success. A big reason for this success was Jennings. How many receivers could you plug in and get the kind of success Jennings had? Not many.

How about right there!!!

[Partial]

Fair enough. Yeah, i'd say either guy could get plugged in and put up big stats with the offensive talent. just about anyone could imo. I don't think they get into the playoffs or championship game with a chump at QB, though. But I bet he'd have good stats!

[ThunderDan]

Fair enough. Yeah, i'd say either guy could get plugged in and put up big stats with the offensive talent. just about anyone could imo. I don't think they get into the playoffs or championship game with a chump at QB, though. But I bet he'd have good stats!

Well at least now you're admitting to lying. At least you manned up once.