Super Bowl 32

[Cheesehead Craig]

I believe, also, that after Denver went up, Freeman flat out dropped a long pass.

Yes, it was on the final drive on the third down, I believe. Was thrown at his hip, a touch low and behind, but catchable.

Looked at the youtube video again and that ball was way behind him. Would have been a phenominal catch but he didn't have much of a chance at that one.

[Joemailman]

THe defense wasn't as good as thought. They weren't able to get off the field. And then there was the decision to activate Darius Holland over Paul Frase. Frase had shown that he could be counted on earlier in the postseason, while Holland was struggling. You also had Holmgren's mental lapse in not kjnowing what down it was when he allowed the decisive TD. It's really complex axtually.

My recollection is slightly different. Earlier in the Week, a CB who I believe was Tyrone Williams missed practice with back spasms. Because they were concerned the spasms might return, the Packers activated one more DB and one less DL than usual. That decision hurt them in the 4th quarter.

[SkinBasket]

I <3 Mike Holmgren's glasses.

[bbbffl66]

Only SB I'll probably ever get the chance to attend. That just sucked! My seats were end zone toward where the Packers could have scored the tying TD. The collision that took out our WR(and I can't remember if it was Brooks or Free anymore) was wicked! It was loud up in the stands!
Anyway, my thought then and now was we were outcoached badly. The D never made any adjustments to stop TD. Holmy and Fritz were terrified of Elway beating them. Well, he didn't. TD did.
Damn, now I'm pissed too!
I was told I was on TV on XP and FG attempts, but I'll never watch it!

[Bretsky]

Never heard the Favre story

Wasn't the dude who took himself out a DE....Gabe Wilkins or somebody ?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

THe defense wasn't as good as thought. They weren't able to get off the field. And then there was the decision to activate Darius Holland over Paul Frase. Frase had shown that he could be counted on earlier in the postseason, while Holland was struggling. You also had Holmgren's mental lapse in not kjnowing what down it was when he allowed the decisive TD. It's really complex axtually.

My recollection is slightly different. Earlier in the Week, a CB who I believe was Tyrone Williams missed practice with back spasms. Because they were concerned the spasms might return, the Packers activated one more DB and one less DL than usual. That decision hurt them in the 4th quarter.

I'm not sure exactly what went down, but i do know in my heart of hearts that the decision not to have that extra DL was critical.

But, i also blame Wolf for tinkering to much with the team: getting rid of sean jones, getting rid of wayne simmons, getting rid of rison.

[Chevelle2]

THe defense wasn't as good as thought. They weren't able to get off the field. And then there was the decision to activate Darius Holland over Paul Frase. Frase had shown that he could be counted on earlier in the postseason, while Holland was struggling. You also had Holmgren's mental lapse in not kjnowing what down it was when he allowed the decisive TD. It's really complex axtually.

My recollection is slightly different. Earlier in the Week, a CB who I believe was Tyrone Williams missed practice with back spasms. Because they were concerned the spasms might return, the Packers activated one more DB and one less DL than usual. That decision hurt them in the 4th quarter.

I'm not sure exactly what went down, but i do know in my heart of hearts that the decision not to have that extra DL was critical.

But, i also blame Wolf for tinkering to much with the team: getting rid of sean jones, getting rid of wayne simmons, getting rid of rison.

From what I have heard the 95 team was miles better than the 97 team. Why so much turnover between the 96 roster and 97 roster?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

THe defense wasn't as good as thought. They weren't able to get off the field. And then there was the decision to activate Darius Holland over Paul Frase. Frase had shown that he could be counted on earlier in the postseason, while Holland was struggling. You also had Holmgren's mental lapse in not kjnowing what down it was when he allowed the decisive TD. It's really complex axtually.

My recollection is slightly different. Earlier in the Week, a CB who I believe was Tyrone Williams missed practice with back spasms. Because they were concerned the spasms might return, the Packers activated one more DB and one less DL than usual. That decision hurt them in the 4th quarter.

I'm not sure exactly what went down, but i do know in my heart of hearts that the decision not to have that extra DL was critical.

But, i also blame Wolf for tinkering to much with the team: getting rid of sean jones, getting rid of wayne simmons, getting rid of rison.

From what I have heard the 95 team was miles better than the 97 team. Why so much turnover between the 96 roster and 97 roster?

I'm a bit confused. The pack, from my drug addled memory, went to the SB in 96 and 97 (ok, not really, but we know what i'm talking about)...so, i'm guessing you just made a mistake asking about the 95 team.

Turnover: Well, there were many reasons. One, you never stay complacent..always try to improve.

1. Sean Jones. He was older and nearing the end. I, and others thought he had something left and was a good leader (not a great agent though). Wolf/Holm/whoever thought it was better to get the younger guys involved and they would ultimately do better. In the end...neither Darious or Wilkins was ever that good.

2. Rison. Holmgren thought that Rison would be a potential disrupting force as the 3rd WR...that he couldn't adjust to not being the man....this after he came onboard and didn't cause any problems the year before. I hated this..as i am a firm believer that certain players are trouble if they are on the wrong team...ie, some players can't be on losing teams, there attitude goes for shit...which kinda happened at cleveland.

This was a huge mistake as we never had a 3rd who was even remotely as good. And, rison was a PRO BOWL receiver with KC the following year. Rison ultimately went on to play until i think 04 (finished up in the CFL). His last year was 00 with the Raidahs...and he caught 41, 600 yards, 6 tds.

We moved Rison to make room for the perpetually underachieving Derrick Mayes.

3. Simmons. He was a bad ass. GB has never really been home to bad ass/thug type players. I'm sure he had problems with coaches or something..but, on the field..he was a monster. He BRUTALIZED the 49s TE (brent jones?).

We went with the safer, but older Seth Joyner.

[Chevelle2]

Damn, never knew Simmons was a badass, thats awesome.

I heard Rison threw his Super Bowl ring in the Fox River upon hearing we werent going to re-sign him.

What I meant is that the 1995 NFC Title game @ Dallas team was far better than the 1997 Super 31 team.

What excites me, is many people who remember this era more than I do, say 2009 is very similar to 1994ish.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Damn, never knew Simmons was a badass, thats awesome.

I heard Rison threw his Super Bowl ring in the Fox River upon hearing we werent going to re-sign him.

What I meant is that the 1995 NFC Title game @ Dallas team was far better than the 1997 Super 31 team.

What excites me, is many people who remember this era more than I do, say 2009 is very similar to 1994ish.

Yeah, simmons was a bad ass type player and probably somewhat as a person......he died in a car crash...drunk driving or something. Remember, he was cut from KC after he and Derrick thomas had like 5 personal fouls in a game...you sure aren't going to cut HOF Thomas.

rison: i never heard this. I'd need some verification on that.

95: I don't know about that...never really considered it.

09/04: Could be.

[Chevelle2]

Here is a comment on the story that sort of touches on it

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31914264.html

Andre Rison swears he threw his ring in the river because the Packers treated him so bad and only used him for the Super Bowl. After the season the Packers had to choose between Brooks and Rison and they chose to be loyal to Brooks. Rison felt cheated.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Here is a comment on the story that sort of touches on it

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31914264.html

Andre Rison swears he threw his ring in the river because the Packers treated him so bad and only used him for the Super Bowl. After the season the Packers had to choose between Brooks and Rison and they chose to be loyal to Brooks. Rison felt cheated.

Thanx.

I don't know if i believe him...but, i appreciate the link.

[mraynrand]

I believe, also, that after Denver went up, Freeman flat out dropped a long pass.

Yes, it was on the final drive on the third down, I believe. Was thrown at his hip, a touch low and behind, but catchable.

Looked at the youtube video again and that ball was way behind him. Would have been a phenominal catch but he didn't have much of a chance at that one.

Here's two screen captures from the game. In live action the ball goes in and out of Freeman's chest. A perfect pass, dropped. (to be fair, there was double coverage and a defender did pull on Freeman's arm...)

[swede]

I'm a bit confused. The pack, from my drug addled memory, went to the SB in 96 and 97 (ok, not really, but we know what i'm talking about)...so, i'm guessing you just made a mistake asking about the 95 team.

I think he meant that the 95 team that lost to Dallas in the NFC Championship game--after leading in the 4th quarter--was a better team than the one in 97, despite its claim to Super Bowl status. I've always thought so.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm a bit confused. The pack, from my drug addled memory, went to the SB in 96 and 97 (ok, not really, but we know what i'm talking about)...so, i'm guessing you just made a mistake asking about the 95 team.

I think he meant that the 95 team that lost to Dallas in the NFC Championship game--after leading in the 4th quarter--was a better team than the one in 97, despite its claim to Super Bowl status. I've always thought so.

I know growing old is a bitch, but try and follow along. He answered that issue several posts ago.

Perhaps some gingko biloba?