Super Bowl 32

[Bretsky]

Damn, never knew Simmons was a badass, thats awesome.

I heard Rison threw his Super Bowl ring in the Fox River upon hearing we werent going to re-sign him.

What I meant is that the 1995 NFC Title game @ Dallas team was far better than the 1997 Super 31 team.

What excites me, is many people who remember this era more than I do, say 2009 is very similar to 1994ish.

Simmons was the meanest player I've witnessed in GB; he was physically intimidating. He'd often line up on the oppositions star TE and completely brutalize them and take them out of the game.

I completely agree with TY in his take as to why GB fell a few steps back.

The defensive coordinatory, Fritz Shurmur, loved Wayne Simmons. But reports were Holmgren ran a pretty tight ship and had issues with his mindset. I think Simmons also lived a wild life away from the field and they might have possibly carried into practices at times. But on Game Day Wayne Simmons was an absolute BEAST. He wanted to lay the RB out every time he hit them and he treated his blockers the same. Not a high character dude but on gameday you wanted him on your team.

I was also very disappointed we let Andre Bad Moon Rison go. I'm not sure how well he fit in, but he had top of the line talent. I always felt they could have just presented things better..told the media all three WR's would be playing a lot and they really had 3 starting WR's. They never gave the guy a chance.

I think that 95 team was better than a lot of teams who have won the Super Bowl. We just ran into a dynasty in Dallas too many times in that era.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Wow. Bretsky agreeing with me. You like me. You really like me.

[MJZiggy]

Buncha masochists...

[cpk1994]

THe defense wasn't as good as thought. They weren't able to get off the field. And then there was the decision to activate Darius Holland over Paul Frase. Frase had shown that he could be counted on earlier in the postseason, while Holland was struggling. You also had Holmgren's mental lapse in not kjnowing what down it was when he allowed the decisive TD. It's really complex axtually.

My recollection is slightly different. Earlier in the Week, a CB who I believe was Tyrone Williams missed practice with back spasms. Because they were concerned the spasms might return, the Packers activated one more DB and one less DL than usual. That decision hurt them in the 4th quarter.

I'm not sure exactly what went down, but i do know in my heart of hearts that the decision not to have that extra DL was critical.

But, i also blame Wolf for tinkering to much with the team: getting rid of sean jones, getting rid of wayne simmons, getting rid of rison.

Wolf didn't get rid of Sean Jones. Jones retired.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

THe defense wasn't as good as thought. They weren't able to get off the field. And then there was the decision to activate Darius Holland over Paul Frase. Frase had shown that he could be counted on earlier in the postseason, while Holland was struggling. You also had Holmgren's mental lapse in not kjnowing what down it was when he allowed the decisive TD. It's really complex axtually.

My recollection is slightly different. Earlier in the Week, a CB who I believe was Tyrone Williams missed practice with back spasms. Because they were concerned the spasms might return, the Packers activated one more DB and one less DL than usual. That decision hurt them in the 4th quarter.

I'm not sure exactly what went down, but i do know in my heart of hearts that the decision not to have that extra DL was critical.

But, i also blame Wolf for tinkering to much with the team: getting rid of sean jones, getting rid of wayne simmons, getting rid of rison.

Wolf didn't get rid of Sean Jones. Jones retired.

Categorically wrong.

Sean Jones announced his retirement in May. You think a guy who was gonna retire waits that long? LOL

Mr. Jones was an unrestricted free agent after the SB. The packers chose not to resign him and go with a the younger Gabe Wilkins. There had been talk about signing him as a backup.

Jones hurt his back lifting, and then retired. You think a lineman is lifting if he isn't planning or considering playing? C'mon, CPK.

The simple fact was that he could have undergone surgery and continued playing, like Haley, but Jones had no contract..no one was going to sign him after the injury till he was healthy...and since he had other interests...tv analyst, wanting to get into a front office and eventually ownership...he retired.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I believe, also, that after Denver went up, Freeman flat out dropped a long pass.

Yes, it was on the final drive on the third down, I believe. Was thrown at his hip, a touch low and behind, but catchable.

Looked at the youtube video again and that ball was way behind him. Would have been a phenominal catch but he didn't have much of a chance at that one.

Here's two screen captures from the game. In live action the ball goes in and out of Freeman's chest. A perfect pass, dropped. (to be fair, there was double coverage and a defender did pull on Freeman's arm...)

I had a different play in mind when Favre was rolling left and threw across his body and Freeman was wide open about 15 yds downfield. We have different plays in our heads.

[Cheesehead Craig]

3. Simmons. He was a bad ass. GB has never really been home to bad ass/thug type players. I'm sure he had problems with coaches or something..but, on the field..he was a monster. He BRUTALIZED the 49s TE (brent jones?).

I loved Wayne Simmons. To this day he's still one of my favorite Packer LBs ever. The guy was indeed a bad ass and if I recall correctly, during that SF playoff win, Jerry Rice came across the middle on one of those 3-4 yd routes, the ball wasn't thrown at him but Simmons just leveled Rice, I mean he just about decleated him. Completely legal contact in the 5 yd window back then.

[cpk1994]

Categorically wrong.

Sean Jones announced his retirement in May. You think a guy who was gonna retire waits that long? LOL

Considering what we have been through, Yes.
As for Jones, yes he was a free agent so techincally the Packers didn't get rid of him since he was not employed by the Packers after SB32 to begin with.

Mr. Jones was an unrestricted free agent after the SB. The packers chose not to resign him and go with a the younger Gabe Wilkins. There had been talk about signing him as a backup.

Jones hurt his back lifting, and then retired. You think a lineman is lifting if he isn't planning or considering playing? C'mon, CPK.

Of cousre he plannied on playing another year, but there are 31 other teams that could have signed him too. It's not like the Packers had exclusive rights or something.

The simple fact was that he could have undergone surgery and continued playing, like Haley, but Jones had no contract..no one was going to sign him after the injury till he was healthy...and since he had other interests...tv analyst, wanting to get into a front office and eventually ownership...he retired.

Of course. Also, don't you think that maybe they wee still considering Jones when he got hurt and decided, like the other 31 teams, to wait until he was healthy too?

What I am saying is that Wolf chose not to resign Jones. That is a lot different than getting rid of him, which would've beeen the case if Wolf had released Jones. You could say it all comes down to how you interpret the situation.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Categorically wrong.

Sean Jones announced his retirement in May. You think a guy who was gonna retire waits that long? LOL

Considering what we have been through, Yes.
As for Jones, yes he was a free agent so techincally the Packers didn't get rid of him since he was not employed by the Packers after SB32 to begin with.

Mr. Jones was an unrestricted free agent after the SB. The packers chose not to resign him and go with a the younger Gabe Wilkins. There had been talk about signing him as a backup.

Jones hurt his back lifting, and then retired. You think a lineman is lifting if he isn't planning or considering playing? C'mon, CPK.

Of cousre he plannied on playing another year, but there are 31 other teams that could have signed him too. It's not like the Packers had exclusive rights or something.

The simple fact was that he could have undergone surgery and continued playing, like Haley, but Jones had no contract..no one was going to sign him after the injury till he was healthy...and since he had other interests...tv analyst, wanting to get into a front office and eventually ownership...he retired.

Of course. Also, don't you think that maybe they wee still considering Jones when he got hurt and decided, like the other 31 teams, to wait until he was healthy too?

What I am saying is that Wolf chose not to resign Jones. That is a lot different than getting rid of him, which would've beeen the case if Wolf had released Jones. You could say it all comes down to how you interpret the situation.

You can parse and pretend, but when you have a SB team and you chose not to resign a guy..that is getting rid of them.

What you choose to do or what you choose not to do is just as telling.

[hoosier]

Re: Super Bowl 32

I hate to bring up a sore subject, but me and a buddy were trying to figure out exactly WHY and HOW they lost. We were both 8 at the time, so our memories are hazy.

A few things Ive heard over the years, maybe you older Rats can confirm or deny.

-Favre was out partying until 5am, and many believe he would have hit Freeman on the last drive had Favre been more "with it"

-When it was 7-0 Packers, after the first drive, Packer players were on the sidelines listening to their walkman, playing Gameboy and celebrating as if they had already won to family members on their cell phones

-The reason the Packers didnt run the ball on the last drive, is because the coaches wanted Favre to get the MVP (I think I heard S Dotson say this on 102.9 in the morning a few years back)

-The last pass to Chewy - the Packers hadn't run that play all year. When Favre received the play in the huddle, and told the team, everyone was like "WTF"

Im 99% sure the last one is true, but the previous 4 I'm not sure. Again, it's only stuff I heard here and their.

All in all, how the hell did we lose? Were not really 13-3 material? After all, we did lose to some pretty bad teams that year (PHI, IND, and DET) Injuries? Over confidence?

Here is the last drive, if you can stomach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBla...eature=related

According to Ron Wolf, the Packers lost because they didn't prepare and adjust as well as they could have. In particular they didn't solve a new blitz scheme implemented by the Denver DC, Greg Robinson. Favre did end up on his back quite a few times during the game, but the thing that really stands out is that the GB DL really gets dominated from start to finish by the Denver OL. That team didn't have a great year against the run (they gave up over 140 yards on the ground six other times) but they were peaking in the second half of the season (holding the opps under 100 yards 8 out of 11 games). To give up 179 on the ground against Denver in the Superbowl after holding TB to 90 and SF to 33 was a major disappointment.

[sheepshead]

Exactly - Mike Holmgren. I hope someday he admits he did little to have his team prepared. He had Paul Allan dollar signs in his eyes. At the time he was being compared to Lombardi, Landry and Halas. Well he would have had trouble carrying Phil Bengstons jock after that game. It's very tough getting to the big game as we have seen ever since. The fact the he took the Broncos for granted was unforgivable in my opinion. Add that to the way he left town, I have little respect for the guy.

[SnakeLH2006]

All Snake remembers is this:

-Awesome Packer Party
-Hanging with 3 hot strippers with yayo...Debbie you were the woman. Great tits and party favors.
-Being 17, my girl was 16 and gave amazing head to compensate for the loss at the time
-Got car stuck in snowbank at KwikTrip that nite wasted (as 21 year old buddies bought beer), but buddies helped push it out
-Rammed some car at halftime and Snake got out and bitched we'd knock you out cuz you crossed parking lanes. Really scared some dude.
-My 16 year old GF got a DUI that nite driving back and ditched car in snow bank on highway overpass. She's a drunken/pothead now.
-Really,really disapointing SuperBowl as the Packers were SO favored.

[Fritz]

Re: Super Bowl 32

I hate to bring up a sore subject, but me and a buddy were trying to figure out exactly WHY and HOW they lost. We were both 8 at the time, so our memories are hazy.

A few things Ive heard over the years, maybe you older Rats can confirm or deny.

-Favre was out partying until 5am, and many believe he would have hit Freeman on the last drive had Favre been more "with it"

-When it was 7-0 Packers, after the first drive, Packer players were on the sidelines listening to their walkman, playing Gameboy and celebrating as if they had already won to family members on their cell phones

-The reason the Packers didnt run the ball on the last drive, is because the coaches wanted Favre to get the MVP (I think I heard S Dotson say this on 102.9 in the morning a few years back)

-The last pass to Chewy - the Packers hadn't run that play all year. When Favre received the play in the huddle, and told the team, everyone was like "WTF"

Im 99% sure the last one is true, but the previous 4 I'm not sure. Again, it's only stuff I heard here and their.

All in all, how the hell did we lose? Were not really 13-3 material? After all, we did lose to some pretty bad teams that year (PHI, IND, and DET) Injuries? Over confidence?

Here is the last drive, if you can stomach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBla...eature=related

According to Ron Wolf, the Packers lost because they didn't prepare and adjust as well as they could have. In particular they didn't solve a new blitz scheme implemented by the Denver DC, Greg Robinson. Favre did end up on his back quite a few times during the game, but the thing that really stands out is that the GB DL really gets dominated from start to finish by the Denver OL. That team didn't have a great year against the run (they gave up over 140 yards on the ground six other times) but they were peaking in the second half of the season (holding the opps under 100 yards 8 out of 11 games). To give up 179 on the ground against Denver in the Superbowl after holding TB to 90 and SF to 33 was a major disappointment.

Although the 70's group Kansas did get a mega-hit out of Wolf's comments after the game - "All We Are is Farts in the Wind." Great tune. Really makes you think about life and stuff.

[Pacopete4]

I'm not sure there are really any conspiracy's to the game. The coach and players didn't come ready to battle for the most prized championship game that we have in sports and it showed late in the game.


Bronco's were hungry, Packers... not so much.