Gruden joins MNF team, replacing Kornheiser

[mraynrand]

I never liked Kornheiser as a football announcer. He had just a maginal knowledge of pro football but came off as a know-it-all who belittled the opinions of his more knowledgeable colleages.

I also did not like how he continually stated the Packers made a mistake in letting Favre go. Favre's poor performance at the middle and end of the season as well as Rodgers very good first year as a starter showed the Packers made the right decision.

probowler v. leadn team to 6-10


8-3 before TORN BICEP hindered him

Here are Favre's stats thru the his first 11 games.
245/347 2,461 yards 20td 13int 10.0 yards per completion, 7.09 ypa

Here are Rodgers's stat's thru 11 games:
228/359 2,599y 17td 9int 11.4 ypc, 7.24 ypa

How are Favre's first 11 games stats any better than Rodgers?

Favre had 20 TDs to Rodger's 17.

[Zool]

I never liked Kornheiser as a football announcer. He had just a maginal knowledge of pro football but came off as a know-it-all who belittled the opinions of his more knowledgeable colleages.

I also did not like how he continually stated the Packers made a mistake in letting Favre go. Favre's poor performance at the middle and end of the season as well as Rodgers very good first year as a starter showed the Packers made the right decision.

probowler v. leadn team to 6-10


8-3 before TORN BICEP hindered him

Here are Favre's stats thru the his first 11 games.
245/347 2,461 yards 20td 13int 10.0 yards per completion, 7.09 ypa

Here are Rodgers's stat's thru 11 games:
228/359 2,599y 17td 9int 11.4 ypc, 7.24 ypa

How are Favre's first 11 games stats any better than Rodgers?

Favre had 20 TDs to Rodger's 17.

Also if you count the INT's he had a lot less balls hit the ground than Rodgers did.

[pbmax]

I never liked Kornheiser as a football announcer. He had just a maginal knowledge of pro football but came off as a know-it-all who belittled the opinions of his more knowledgeable colleages.

I have some news for you, Tirico knows nothing about pro football that Kornheiser doesn't. What makes Kornheiser a good listen is that he is very cynical about typical media/player/coach blather that fills the airways.

On his radio show, he usually featured Jaws, John Riggins and local beat guys for his NFL coverage, rather than the usual suspects of Mort, Clayton et al. Rather than the steady drumbeat about who was winning the offseason and the Breaking News docudrams, you might get something truly interesting, funny or completely non-timely. It was a joy to listen to.

The problem with TV is that he must sit in opposition to Jaws for the 3 man booth to work. And his role is was reduced to including everyman in the show, which led to some ridiculous Q & As with Jaws. If Tirico had just been handed the Summerall minimalist role instead of trying to be Al Michaels or Bob Costas, there might have been room for an interview to occur between Kornheiser and Jaws. We'll never know.

[oregonpackfan]

I never liked Kornheiser as a football announcer. He had just a maginal knowledge of pro football but came off as a know-it-all who belittled the opinions of his more knowledgeable colleages.

I have some news for you, Tirico knows nothing about pro football that Kornheiser doesn't. What makes Kornheiser a good listen is that he is very cynical about typical media/player/coach blather that fills the airways.

On his radio show, he usually featured Jaws, John Riggins and local beat guys for his NFL coverage, rather than the usual suspects of Mort, Clayton et al. Rather than the steady drumbeat about who was winning the offseason and the Breaking News docudrams, you might get something truly interesting, funny or completely non-timely. It was a joy to listen to.

The problem with TV is that he must sit in opposition to Jaws for the 3 man booth to work. And his role is was reduced to including everyman in the show, which led to some ridiculous Q & As with Jaws. If Tirico had just been handed the Summerall minimalist role instead of trying to be Al Michaels or Bob Costas, there might have been room for an interview to occur between Kornheiser and Jaws. We'll never know.

I disagree with your statement that Tirico does not know any more than Kornheiser. Tirico appears to do much more research about the game than Kornheiser. He is also far more objective in his evaluations and much less opinionated.

Torico also respects the divergent opinions of others. Kornheiser is narrowly opinionated and condescending towards others who do not share the same view as his.

Again, I am delighted Kornheiser is out of the MNF booth.

[pbmax]

I disagree with your statement that Tirico does not know any more than Kornheiser. Tirico appears to do much more research about the game than Kornheiser. He is also far more objective in his evaluations and much less opinionated.

Torico also respects the divergent opinions of others. Kornheiser is narrowly opinionated and condescending towards others who do not share the same view as his.

Again, I am delighted Kornheiser is out of the MNF booth.

Tirico's research is mostly bullet points from Elias that he can bring up during the course of the game. Personally, I blame Elias for stats such as "When X runs for 100 yards, Team Y wins the game" etc. So while I like his announcing, his analysis is underwhelming.

Kornheiser's job was to engage in an ongoing debate/argument with the Jaws, he is not there to lend coaching or playing credence to the call. So I have no problem with opinionated. I like this approach, but it was too often limited to the hottest topic (Favre).

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I disagree with your statement that Tirico does not know any more than Kornheiser. Tirico appears to do much more research about the game than Kornheiser. He is also far more objective in his evaluations and much less opinionated.

Torico also respects the divergent opinions of others. Kornheiser is narrowly opinionated and condescending towards others who do not share the same view as his.

Again, I am delighted Kornheiser is out of the MNF booth.

Tirico's research is mostly bullet points from Elias that he can bring up during the course of the game. Personally, I blame Elias for stats such as "When X runs for 100 yards, Team Y wins the game" etc. So while I like his announcing, his analysis is underwhelming.

Kornheiser's job was to engage in an ongoing debate/argument with the Jaws, he is not there to lend coaching or playing credence to the call. So I have no problem with opinionated. I like this approach, but it was too often limited to the hottest topic (Favre).

I'm with you on that. I can't stand that shit. ESPN is the king of this type of worthless/useless minutiae.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: Gruden joins MNF team, replacing Kornheiser

Kornheiser is both smart and funny. MNF was just the wrong vehicle for his talents.

His radio show was hilarious.

Agree 100%. The job he was asked to do, bring the game conversation to people who do not regularly follow football was a fool's errand. This wasn't the same audience mix as it was on broadcast TV during the 70s.

He is much smarter than that. I am surprised it hadn't blown up before now. But the person most misplaced is Tirico. He talks as much as Al Michaels and is far less knowledgeable. He left precious little room for Kornheiser and Jaws to get a back and forth going except for Favre-A-Polooza, which was a one man show.

I like Tirico's work, but there was no air in that booth sometimes. Chucky will be all football attitude but he might make a better fit for time. The question I have is will they let Chucky and Jaws go at it over football X and O minutiae? Because the can both cover this from the offense's perspective.

I like the cut of your jib.

Snake don't agree with Ty's take. Tirico is underrated. Cornheiser, stick to radio buddy. Don't know about the new pretty boy though, haven't heard him, but can't be worse than Theismann.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Kornheiser is good as a participant on one of those noisy ESPN talk shows. He is just too much to take for a 3-hour football game.

[Scott Campbell]

BRING BACK DENNIS MILLER!!!!

[MOBB DEEP]

BRING BACK DENNIS MILLER!!!!

dito.....

[MOBB DEEP]

I never liked Kornheiser as a football announcer. He had just a maginal knowledge of pro football but came off as a know-it-all who belittled the opinions of his more knowledgeable colleages.

I also did not like how he continually stated the Packers made a mistake in letting Favre go. Favre's poor performance at the middle and end of the season as well as Rodgers very good first year as a starter showed the Packers made the right decision.

probowler v. leadn team to 6-10


8-3 before TORN BICEP hindered him

6-10 wasn't Rodgers fault. YOu are totally ignorant(not suprising) iof you believe otherwise. Aslo, Favre's pro bowl selection was a farce.

omg, u're STILL name-calling?

u didnt read the bible verses i recommended i guess?!

if u're not a happy joyful person then renew your mind, seek peace and pursue it...rmember this forum and the posts/posters' opinions are irrelevant in the grand scheme of life. pump your brakes and stop taking menial things SO serious...count your blessings (start with thanking God he wakes u each morning) and pray for others

now, if lord favre doest come back i will slit both wrists....

[Scott Campbell]

BRING BACK DENNIS MILLER!!!!

dito.....

Unfortunately, that makes a grand total of 2 of us.

[cpk1994]

I never liked Kornheiser as a football announcer. He had just a maginal knowledge of pro football but came off as a know-it-all who belittled the opinions of his more knowledgeable colleages.

I also did not like how he continually stated the Packers made a mistake in letting Favre go. Favre's poor performance at the middle and end of the season as well as Rodgers very good first year as a starter showed the Packers made the right decision.

probowler v. leadn team to 6-10


8-3 before TORN BICEP hindered him

6-10 wasn't Rodgers fault. YOu are totally ignorant(not suprising) iof you believe otherwise. Aslo, Favre's pro bowl selection was a farce.

omg, u're STILL name-calling?

u didnt read the bible verses i recommended i guess?!

if u're not a happy joyful person then renew your mind, seek peace and pursue it...rmember this forum and the posts/posters' opinions are irrelevant in the grand scheme of life. pump your brakes and stop taking menial things SO serious...count your blessings (start with thanking God he wakes u each morning) and pray for others

now, if lord favre doest come back i will slit both wrists....

Oh my God, you still haven't learned english?

[Guiness]

BRING BACK DENNIS MILLER!!!!

dito.....

Unfortunately, that makes a grand total of 2 of us.

No, 3. I was just about to post that I think I was the only white 30 something yr old male in North America who liked him as a football announcer. But I don't drink Budweiser, so he was screwed.