VICK DA GREAT

[Scott Campbell]

I'm the kinda guy that agrees with using all of your resources I guess.

And I'm the kind of guy that wouldn't allow a convicted felon to play in my league immediately upon his release from federal prison.

The ankle bracelet will probably violate the NFL uniform dress code anyway.

Does he really have an ankle bracelet?

[Patler]

I'm the kinda guy that agrees with using all of your resources I guess.

And I'm the kind of guy that wouldn't allow a convicted felon to play in my league immediately upon his release from federal prison.

The ankle bracelet will probably violate the NFL uniform dress code anyway.

Does he really have an ankle bracelet?

I don't know, but supposedly he was released this morning, and is under house arrest for a month at least. They often use the bracelet in those situations, but it would probably be gone by camp time. I was just kidding.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think a team will take a gamble with him and sign him should he get reinstated, which I think he should be.

But when should he be reinstated? For 2009? Why?

Maybe he has "paid his debt to society" but does that mean he has paid his debt to the NFL? The NFL routinely suspends players for things for which they pay no debt to society. Isn't it reasonable that his debt to the riches of the NFL is greater than what he has paid already? After all, the success of the NFL is based a lot on public relations, image, etc. Isn't it reasonable to require that Vick prove he is a new person for some period of time outside of the prison environment before the NFL opens their arms to him?

I'm not in favor of a lifetime ban, and I understand how short a span of time that an NFL career encompasses. Nevertheless, I will be disappointed if he is reinstated before the 2010 season, and if he screws up at all before then, delay it at least another year.

He has to earn his right back in to the NFL, not simply receive it for having sat in the controlled environment of a Federal prison.

Whoa Whoa Whoa there big fella. I just said I'm for the NFL reinstating him and that some team will sign him. No need to get all jumpy on me.

The NFL certainly has suspended players for far lesser crimes. Would they be willing to continue a suspension for a player coming out of a 23 mo prison sentence is the question. On that I don't know. I would certainly agree that he'll have to still prove himself to teams (and the NFL corporate) to show he's been "rehabilitated" and still has the skills for the position.

I do think though that a league that reinstated Ricky Williams certainly has room to bring in Vick.

[Patler]

I think a team will take a gamble with him and sign him should he get reinstated, which I think he should be.

But when should he be reinstated? For 2009? Why?

Maybe he has "paid his debt to society" but does that mean he has paid his debt to the NFL? The NFL routinely suspends players for things for which they pay no debt to society. Isn't it reasonable that his debt to the riches of the NFL is greater than what he has paid already? After all, the success of the NFL is based a lot on public relations, image, etc. Isn't it reasonable to require that Vick prove he is a new person for some period of time outside of the prison environment before the NFL opens their arms to him?

I'm not in favor of a lifetime ban, and I understand how short a span of time that an NFL career encompasses. Nevertheless, I will be disappointed if he is reinstated before the 2010 season, and if he screws up at all before then, delay it at least another year.

He has to earn his right back in to the NFL, not simply receive it for having sat in the controlled environment of a Federal prison.

Whoa Whoa Whoa there big fella. I just said I'm for the NFL reinstating him and that some team will sign him. No need to get all jumpy on me.

The NFL certainly has suspended players for far lesser crimes. Would they be willing to continue a suspension for a player coming out of a 23 mo prison sentence is the question. On that I don't know. I would certainly agree that he'll have to still prove himself to teams (and the NFL corporate) to show he's been "rehabilitated" and still has the skills for the position.

I do think though that a league that reinstated Ricky Williams certainly has room to bring in Vick.

Who was getting all jumpy? I just wanted to expand the discussion to a timing issue and the factors to be considered. You had the most recent post in favor of reinstatement, so I used it to raise the questions. I would suggest that perhaps you shouldn't be all jumpy!

That being said, as I wrote, I am in favor of reinstatement, but not before 2010 at the earliest. Sitting in prison for 2 years proved nothing. The last thing the NFL needs is to reinstate him, only to discover that he has not been rehabilitated. They can never be sure, but a years' history of him in a regular society will at least give them something upon which to base their decision.

[mraynrand]

I'm the kinda guy that agrees with using all of your resources I guess.

And I'm the kind of guy that wouldn't allow a convicted felon to play in my league immediately upon his release from federal prison.

The ankle bracelet will probably violate the NFL uniform dress code anyway.

No worries - after all, 'Ole Cleedeeus never got any troubles for wearing his bling

[Scott Campbell]

No worries - after all, 'Ole Cleedeeus never got any troubles for wearing his bling.

That was Greenday's favorite picture.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Who was getting all jumpy? I just wanted to expand the discussion to a timing issue and the factors to be considered. You had the most recent post in favor of reinstatement, so I used it to raise the questions. I would suggest that perhaps you shouldn't be all jumpy!

Let's all get jumpy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmYMLflRGk&feature=related

[Chevelle2]

I too, think he should be allowed back in.

But I wonder if whichever team picks him up will keep him at the QB position? Thoughts?

[DonHutson]

I still want to go to one of these anti-Vick rallies and say the name Rae Carruth and see how many people there even know who he is. years.

I don't get it. It's not like they let Carruth play and not Vick. If people don't recognize the name its because killing somebody is the only noteworthy thing Carruth ever did.

[Zool]

I still want to go to one of these anti-Vick rallies and say the name Rae Carruth and see how many people there even know who he is. years.

I don't get it. It's not like they let Carruth play and not Vick. If people don't recognize the name its because killing somebody is the only noteworthy thing Carruth ever did.

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

[Joemailman]

I think Vick could benefit from the love of a companion animal. Choose one:

Can they fight?

[SkinBasket]

I too, think he should be allowed back in.

But I wonder if whichever team picks him up will keep him at the QB position? Thoughts?

I think Oakland needs to pick him up, trade for the benched Vince Young, and run the Three Fanged Blackcat offense with Russell.

[cpk1994]

I still want to go to one of these anti-Vick rallies and say the name Rae Carruth and see how many people there even know who he is. years.

I don't get it. It's not like they let Carruth play and not Vick. If people don't recognize the name its because killing somebody is the only noteworthy thing Carruth ever did.

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

It's all PETA's fault. Damn them to hell.

[Patler]

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is ridiculous. Mike Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL.

How long was Leonard Little prevented from playing after he killed a person drunk driving?

BTW, Mr. Little had another DUI after the incident...NFL did nothing.