Judge denies most of Vikings' Williamses' claims

[sharpe1027]

You might want to read the transcript of the first hearing....I read the entire thing and he really laid into the NFL. In his ruling this month he called the NFL's actions baffling but ruled on a point of law and his personal opinions didn't enter into the decision.

There are two Minnesota statutes that the NFL may be violating but I have to say I have to agree if they win it's mostly technicalities. I'm sure the player will put a stop to this in CBA negotiations. I think an independent overseer is needed to run this program and the dissemination of information and a REAL appeal process will be a big part of it. You have to ban things that can be used as masking agents, I certainly agree there but it should be more of a partnership as opposed to this extremely tight lipped adversarial thing they have now.

I don't doubt that. As I've said all along the NFL was also in the wrong. It just doesn't lend any excuse for the players. It seems like people keep wanting to say that if the NFL was wrong that means the players must be right? That is just not the case.

The players were wrong, and the NFL was wrong too. It is not one or the other.

[Zool]

I actually looked it up. They are actually called "Star Drops."

http://www.candywarehouse.com/chocolatestar.html

Oops. Never mind.

So how 'bout them Williams boys and the court system? How about that stuff, eh?

I know where you got confused Fritz. There were Star Drops as well as SnowCaps.

SnowCaps are awesome.

[RashanGary]

I know where you got confused Fritz. There were Star Drops as well as SnowCaps.

SnowCaps are awesome.

I've never liked Star Drops or SnowCaps. Star Drops are a generic, overly sweet milk chocolate and SnowCaps are marshmellow crap.

I do, however, fully support the suspensions of Fat and Kevin. Get'er done Rog'

[sharpe1027]

I actually looked it up. They are actually called "Star Drops."

http://www.candywarehouse.com/chocolatestar.html

Oops. Never mind.

So how 'bout them Williams boys and the court system? How about that stuff, eh?

I think that their use of Star Drops may have been a contributing factor in them being considered obese by most health scales. Those things have a lot of sugar.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I actually looked it up. They are actually called "Star Drops."

http://www.candywarehouse.com/chocolatestar.html

Oops. Never mind.

So how 'bout them Williams boys and the court system? How about that stuff, eh?

I think that their use of Star Drops may have been a contributing factor in them being considered obese by most health scales. Those things have a lot of sugar.

No kidding, here's a recent picture of them:

[MJZiggy]

I know where you got confused Fritz. There were Star Drops as well as SnowCaps.

SnowCaps are awesome.

I've never liked Star Drops or SnowCaps. Star Drops are a generic, overly sweet milk chocolate and SnowCaps are marshmellow crap.

I do, however, fully support the suspensions of Fat and Kevin. Get'er done Rog'

Snow caps aren't marshmallow.

[hoosier]

There are two Minnesota statutes that the NFL may be violating but I have to say I have to agree if they win it's mostly technicalities. I'm sure the player will put a stop to this in CBA negotiations. I think an independent overseer is needed to run this program and the dissemination of information and a REAL appeal process will be a big part of it. You have to ban things that can be used as masking agents, I certainly agree there but it should be more of a partnership as opposed to this extremely tight lipped adversarial thing they have now.

What are the statutes again? I remember reading about that but don't recall the specifics. I also wonder if the NFL might be able to argue that since it has been defined as a sport and not a business for anti-trust purposes, that statutes concerning the workplace (assuming that's what is being referred to) don't necessarily apply to the Vikings.

[Rastak]

There are two Minnesota statutes that the NFL may be violating but I have to say I have to agree if they win it's mostly technicalities. I'm sure the player will put a stop to this in CBA negotiations. I think an independent overseer is needed to run this program and the dissemination of information and a REAL appeal process will be a big part of it. You have to ban things that can be used as masking agents, I certainly agree there but it should be more of a partnership as opposed to this extremely tight lipped adversarial thing they have now.

What are the statutes again? I remember reading about that but don't recall the specifics. I also wonder if the NFL might be able to argue that since it has been defined as a sport and not a business for anti-trust purposes, that statutes concerning the workplace (assuming that's what is being referred to) don't necessarily apply to the Vikings.

If you believe Florio, he was told by an NFL spokesman that players are indeed employees of their respective teams so they are Minnesota workers (paying Minnesota taxes) so the laws of Minnesota apply unless the statutes were mentioned specifically in the CBA which I highly doubt.

This is starting to turn into Favre Radio for me.....please make it go away......how about some resolution.

[Bretsky]

These guys should be suspended w/o question; lets get on with it.

[packrulz]

The Judge upholds the suspensions: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

[Fritz]

I know where you got confused Fritz. There were Star Drops as well as SnowCaps.

SnowCaps are awesome.

I've never liked Star Drops or SnowCaps. Star Drops are a generic, overly sweet milk chocolate and SnowCaps are marshmellow crap.

I do, however, fully support the suspensions of Fat and Kevin. Get'er done Rog'

Snow caps aren't marshmallow.

Oooh. A fact-based burn worthy of Patler or Waldo. Nice work, MJ.

[SMACKTALKIE]

The Judge upholds the suspensions: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

Mainstream media off base on StarCaps story

http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/vikings/13984

[Administrator]

The Judge upholds the suspensions: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

Wow. They should have taken the rumored deal...

[pbmax]

The state court that this has been thrown back to, can issue an injunction against the league and the suspensions. If I am not mistaken, they already did this once. That became moot when everything was transferred to Federal Court. So we are still in the middle of this dance.

They only thing that has been decided so far is that the players and NFLPA are not going to be able to overturn the agreed to appeals process in the CBA. So the Commish gets to be judge, jury, executioner and appeals court until the CBA gets changed.

[RashanGary]

The state court that this has been thrown back to, can issue an injunction against the league and the suspensions. If I am not mistaken, they already did this once. That became moot when everything was transferred to Federal Court. So we are still in the middle of this dance.

They only thing that has been decided so far is that the players and NFLPA are not going to be able to overturn the agreed to appeals process in the CBA. So the Commish gets to be judge, jury, executioner and appeals court until the CBA gets changed.

If that's the case, it sounds like the Williams' are going to be in for a long, expensive fight. I doubt it's worth their time or money.