Vince Young Potentially on Trading Block?

[Freak Out]

Here you have a guy who was unstoppable at the college level but as soon as things get tough in the NFL folds.....did he even fight for his job after he was cleared to play again?

[Partial]

He'll take whatever team he lands on to the playoffs. He's a playmaker.

And RG was wondering why people bash you.

You walk right into this shit. Whatever, I guess playmakers drafted 3rd overall with shitty stats, bad accuracy, and a horrible mental makeup get beat out by journeyman QB's all the time.

How many come from behind victories does he have using his arm or legs?

How many playoff appearances does he have?

I rest my case. Very tough to deny that he's a playmaker.

He wasn't the right player for Tennessee, that doesn't mean he's not a very good player. How you can watch a player and ignore such physical superiority to basically all of his peers is astounding. He's a man among boys from an athletic standpoint.

How many playoff wins does he have. ZERO. Vince Young got beat out by Kerry Collins. You have no case.

That's one more playoff appearance and many more come from behind wins than the guy up in GB.

[cpk1994]

Here you have a guy who was unstoppable at the college level but as soon as things get tough in the NFL folds.....did he even fight for his job after he was cleared to play again?

NO, he ran home to mommy. Then mommy told the media to "Leave my baby alone!". VY is a head case. I wouldn't touch him with a 100ft pole.

[Partial]

He'll take whatever team he lands on to the playoffs. He's a playmaker.

How many come from behind victories does he have using his arm or legs?

How many playoff appearances does he have?

I rest my case. Very tough to deny that he's a playmaker.

Stats? He, himself, and only himself, ran balls past every defender and in for touchdowns. How is that ignoring anything? You're clearly ignoring his superior physical talents.

Cannot compare him to Rodgers. Two different types of player. If I wanted a pure drop back passer, no way do I look at Young. Rodgers cannot compare athletically to Young. He's smaller, slower, less stout, less muscular, less moxy, less high profile wins.

I have a lot of problems with your post(s) on this subject... Lets take Michael Vick for example, arguably the most dynamic football player ever at the QB position and he still couldn't get the falcons to the Superbowl... If Rodgers progresses into an elite "pure drop back passer" i'd defiantly choose him over Vince Young...

By your thinking ... Payton Manning and Tom Brady are both players that are not as physically gifted as Young therefore Young has more potential...

I'm not saying Young is bad, but give me a pure pocket passer over a scrambling erratic QB and there is a better chance my team will go the superbowl... Young's legs can only take him so far (see Vick), and if he can't progress his passing game and hit wide open receivers, he will be shut down quite easily if he makes it to the playoffs...

Vick was twice is fast as Young and had an arm like Favre but his accuracy and touch was terrible, therefor he couldn't progress... I don't care how "Big" or "strong" you are, if you can't pass the ball your bound to fail...

Partial, I usually don't mind your posts, but Rodgers only had one year to start and had over 4000 yards... You say Vince Young accomplished more in less time? HAHAHAHA... Vince Young had the opportunity to start for 3 friken years... A-Rod had one year...

By the way... What the f!ck did this guy accomplish, I actually thought he won a playoff game until I went and looked... He didn't even win a playoff game yet... Explain to me what this guy has accomplished... I know he had a huge run against the Texans to win the game, but without winning a playoff game, he doesn't have much leverage in any argument (see Romo)...



I just don't get your logic on this one...

I would take a pure drop back passer like Manning over Young, too. There aren't many Mannings in the world, though. Same with Brady. Two extremely rare, talented players. Rodgers is not even in the same ballpark as either of them.

Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?

Comparing him to Vick is okay I guess, but he is a lot bigger and therefore won't have the same injury concerns when running like a wild man. We all saw the Wildcat sweep the NFL this year, and VY is the NFL's best Wildcat player, yet you all fail to see he is a dynamic weapon in a changing NFL.

Vince Young was in the same position of being down with a few minutes left in multiple NFL games. The difference between he and Rodgers, is he pulled it off, almost single-handedly at that.

[Guiness]

I have always wanted to see an NFL team with all 3 gameday QB's as "scramblers" in addition to a solid running game.

If you get Mike Vick and Vince Young on the same team - who's the 3rd "scrambler"?


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Kordell Stewart is waiting for some GM to fall out of bed and hit his head on the floor, then call him.

/gravedigger

[HarveyWallbangers]

Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?

Young had a defense that could stop his opponent more than once in six tries after he led his offense to the game tying or leading score in the final six minutes of a game. BTW, the Packers defense gave up 381 points last year. They ranked 31st in 4th quarter scoring defense. The Titans defense gave up 297 points in 2007. It's laughable comparing Vince Young to Aaron Rodgers right now, but I wouldn't expect more out of you.

[Partial]

Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?

Young had a defense that could stop his opponent more than once in six tries after he led his offense to the game tying or leading score in the final six minutes of a game. BTW, the Packers defense gave up 381 points last year. They ranked 31st in 4th quarter scoring defense. The Titans defense gave up 297 points in 2007. It's laughable comparing Vince Young to Aaron Rodgers right now, but I wouldn't expect more out of you.

Harvey... Rodgers couldn't get it done in the clutch. How many times did he chuck up a foolish interception instead of scoring a touchdown? Lots.

I haven't compared them other than pointing out facts. Are you saying that Rodgers has won a come from behind game, has a winning record as a starter, and has played in a playoff game? Why are you ignoring 2006, Youngs' first year in the league, when his team was 3rd worst in the league the year prior. Way to pick and choose data.

Maybe the defense wouldn't have given up so many points if the offense could sustain a drive in the second half.

Rodgers is the better passer. Young is the better football player. He wins game. Rodgers tries not to lose games.

Don't be a prick Harv. I'm extremely fair. I've said where I ranked him. It's a perfectly reasonable, logical position for him to be in after A) one season B) being injury prone and C) having a boat load of talent around him.

[SkinBasket]

Way to pick and choose data.

Don't be a prick Harv. I'm extremely fair.

Yeah Harv, you big prick. How dare you use your numbers to support your argument and not Partial's to support his? Data picker. You're a dirty, dirty unfair data picker.

[Scott Campbell]

Young is the better football player. He wins game.

Young doesn't even play in games right now - much less win them.

[Scott Campbell]

I've said where I ranked him. It's a perfectly reasonable, logical position for him to be in after A) one season B) being injury prone and C) having a boat load of talent around him.

D) The big dork made Brett Favre expendable.

[retailguy]

Here you have a guy who was unstoppable at the college level but as soon as things get tough in the NFL folds.....did he even fight for his job after he was cleared to play again?

This is the troubling part. There must be something seriously wrong here. Maybe the guy has got bigger issues than playing QB.

He's got the talent to succeed, but so does Reggie Bush. Neither have done anything close to what is expected.

baffling.

[Chevelle2]

Harvey... Rodgers couldn't get it done in the clutch. How many times did he chuck up a foolish interception instead of scoring a touchdown? Lots.

I see this argument brought up a lot, and Id like to take some time to address it. Lets take a look at the close games in 2008.

Tennessee

Rodgers drove the team to a tying score with 5:30 remaining. Green Bay had the ball again once there after, Tennessee on the other hand, had 3 more possessions since that score. Rodgers did not throw an interception from 5:30 onwards

Minnesota

Rodgers drove the team down to a FG to put them up 6 with 5:56 remaining. Minnesota came down and scored a TD with 2:30 to go. Rodgers came back down to lineup for a FG with :02 left, which was missed. No interceptions the entire game

Rodgers drove the team into scoring position twice in 5:56 They still lost

Carolina

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 2 minutes left on an 80 yard 9:13 drive, only to see CAR gain the lead a mere 0:27 seconds later. Only THEN threw an interception, with 1:09 from his own 17.

Houston

Rodgers took the lead with 6 minutes left on a TD. The Packers only had the ball one more time. Houston had the ball twice thereafter. Rodgers threw 0 interceptions after the TD.

Jacksonville

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 5:40 left. The lead evaporated 3:39 minutes later. Rodgers threw the interception with :46 remaining. Do you expect him to score twice ever 5:40? Is this Arena ball?

Chicago

Rodgers drove the team down with 0:25 seconds left, only to see Crosby's kick blocked. 0 interceptions in the 4th quarter.


Thats 2 interceptions in 6 games. Hardly "a lot." Partial I suggest that if you want to be a more welcomed and appreciated member on packerrats, you don't have to change your views, but rather your ways of expressing them. Perhaps doing research, as I have done here, to back up your claims, would go a long way.

[cheesner]

I would take a pure drop back passer like Manning over Young, too. There aren't many Mannings in the world, though. Same with Brady. Two extremely rare, talented players. Rodgers is not even in the same ballpark as either of them.

Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?

Comparing him to Vick is okay I guess, but he is a lot bigger and therefore won't have the same injury concerns when running like a wild man. We all saw the Wildcat sweep the NFL this year, and VY is the NFL's best Wildcat player, yet you all fail to see he is a dynamic weapon in a changing NFL.

Vince Young was in the same position of being down with a few minutes left in multiple NFL games. The difference between he and Rodgers, is he pulled it off, almost single-handedly at that.

After one year of starting, Rodgers is further along in his career than either Manning or Brady were after their first year. Not saying AR is better, just that at this point in his career he has performed better.

As far as Young goes, the sidelines are littered with QBs who have tons of potential. From Akili Smith to Ryan Leaf and Alex Smith. It takes far more than athletic potential and 'playmaking ability' to succeed at the NFL level as a QB. And simply put, it appears that Vince Young does not have it. I thought very highly of the guy coming out of school and even after his first year with the Titans. But clearly there is something wrong with him mentally and it is difficult to imagine him ever gaining the confidence of his teammates that is so important in a QBs success. Perhaps a change in scenery and new teammates will give him an opportunity to start with a clean slate. But as for now, the guy is a big time bust. Perhaps the Titans will get a 4th or 5th for him, but he isn't worth much more.

Comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is a complete joke. Give it up and move on. AR has a very bright future ahead of him. Personally, I think he will attain the status of a Manning or a Brady. But, only time will tell.

[cpk1994]

He'll take whatever team he lands on to the playoffs. He's a playmaker.

And RG was wondering why people bash you.

You walk right into this shit. Whatever, I guess playmakers drafted 3rd overall with shitty stats, bad accuracy, and a horrible mental makeup get beat out by journeyman QB's all the time.

How many come from behind victories does he have using his arm or legs?

How many playoff appearances does he have?

I rest my case. Very tough to deny that he's a playmaker.

He wasn't the right player for Tennessee, that doesn't mean he's not a very good player. How you can watch a player and ignore such physical superiority to basically all of his peers is astounding. He's a man among boys from an athletic standpoint.

How many playoff wins does he have. ZERO. Vince Young got beat out by Kerry Collins. You have no case.

That's one more playoff appearance and many more come from behind wins than the guy up in GB.

Rodgers is only ion year one as a starter. Young started for 3. Young hasn't proved squat other than folding like a cheap suit when the going gets tough. I will take Rodgers over that head case any day of the week. Real QB's don't go running home to mommy.

[cpk1994]

Harvey... Rodgers couldn't get it done in the clutch. How many times did he chuck up a foolish interception instead of scoring a touchdown? Lots.

I see this argument brought up a lot, and Id like to take some time to address it. Lets take a look at the close games in 2008.

Tennessee

Rodgers drove the team to a tying score with 5:30 remaining. Green Bay had the ball again once there after, Tennessee on the other hand, had 3 more possessions since that score. Rodgers did not throw an interception from 5:30 onwards

Minnesota

Rodgers drove the team down to a FG to put them up 6 with 5:56 remaining. Minnesota came down and scored a TD with 2:30 to go. Rodgers came back down to lineup for a FG with :02 left, which was missed. No interceptions the entire game

Rodgers drove the team into scoring position twice in 5:56 They still lost

Carolina

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 2 minutes left on an 80 yard 9:13 drive, only to see CAR gain the lead a mere 0:27 seconds later. Only THEN threw an interception, with 1:09 from his own 17.

Houston

Rodgers took the lead with 6 minutes left on a TD. The Packers only had the ball one more time. Houston had the ball twice thereafter. Rodgers threw 0 interceptions after the TD.

Jacksonville

Rodgers drove the team to take the lead with 5:40 left. The lead evaporated 3:39 minutes later. Rodgers threw the interception with :46 remaining. Do you expect him to score twice ever 5:40? Is this Arena ball?

Chicago

Rodgers drove the team down with 0:25 seconds left, only to see Crosby's kick blocked. 0 interceptions in the 4th quarter.


Thats 2 interceptions in 6 games. Hardly "a lot." Partial I suggest that if you want to be a more welcomed and appreciated member on packerrats, you don't have to change your views, but rather your ways of expressing them. Perhaps doing research, as I have done here, to back up your claims, would go a long way.

Thank you. I'm glad you owned that arguemtn before I responded to his bullshit the wrong way.