Vince Young Potentially on Trading Block?

[Partial]

16 points against Tennessee.... awful... given that we were sustaining some pretty decent drives and couldn't convert

Apparently you choose to ignore my post. The Packers scored 16 points against a team that averaged 14 points against a game.

These are the points the Tennessee gave up:
10,7,12,17,10,10,21,16,14,14,34,10,9,13,14,23

Only one team had more net yards against the Titans than the Packers. GB netted 390 the NYJ netted 409. A 19 yard difference.

I guess you don't realize how dominant the Titans defense was.

I absolutely recognize it. I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day and we had a prime opportunity but couldn't step on their throat.

[Scott Campbell]

I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day (excuse)...................

[ThunderDan]

16 points against Tennessee.... awful... given that we were sustaining some pretty decent drives and couldn't convert

Apparently you choose to ignore my post. The Packers scored 16 points against a team that averaged 14 points against a game.

These are the points the Tennessee gave up:
10,7,12,17,10,10,21,16,14,14,34,10,9,13,14,23

Only one team had more net yards against the Titans than the Packers. GB netted 390 the NYJ netted 409. A 19 yard difference.

I guess you don't realize how dominant the Titans defense was.

I absolutely recognize it. I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day and we had a prime opportunity but couldn't step on their throat.

How about Rodgers and the Packers offense played extremely well against a dominant defense? No that could have never happended.

[Gunakor]

I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day and we had a prime opportunity but couldn't step on their throat.

What do you mean when you say Tennessee was off their game that day? What didn't they do against Green Bay that they did against everyone else last year?

[Bossman641]

Wow, we put together well thought out posts with actual numbers and Partial completely ignores them to post more myth-based propaganda. We've lost a lot of respect for you Partial.

[Bossman641]

Defenses have an advantage late in those situations. More times than not, the defense will hold late. Just look at Brett Favre's record in a games the Packers trailed by less than a TD in the 4th quarter. Well under .500. Hell, a good offense will score 3 TDs and 1 FG on average in a game, and a team usually has at least 12 possessions. Thus, the rate at which a team scores on a drive is probably somewhere around 25%. For the defense to give up the winning score in 6 of 7 games in the last 6 minutes of a close game is just horrible.

Didn't Favre once go through a 1.5 or 2 year period where he didn't have a single 4th quarter comeback. I am about 99% sure he had a really long stretch a few years back where this occurred.

[Scott Campbell]

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BOMNF

[cpk1994]

Wow, I put together a well thought out post with actual numbers and Harv da troll as of late completely ignores it to post more north korea style propaganda. I lost a lot of respect for you bangers.

Pot meet kettle...

[cpk1994]

16 points against Tennessee.... awful... given that we were sustaining some pretty decent drives and couldn't convert

Apparently you choose to ignore my post. The Packers scored 16 points against a team that averaged 14 points against a game.

These are the points the Tennessee gave up:
10,7,12,17,10,10,21,16,14,14,34,10,9,13,14,23

Only one team had more net yards against the Titans than the Packers. GB netted 390 the NYJ netted 409. A 19 yard difference.

I guess you don't realize how dominant the Titans defense was.

I absolutely recognize it. I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day and we had a prime opportunity but couldn't step on their throat.

And the BS goes on do doo do do do do doo the BS goes on.... /Sonny and Cher

[Patler]

In the 'fatal 5' game stretch that ultimately killed the Packers, they gave up...

19, 21, 20, 20, 28.

In those games, we scored x amount of offensive TDs..

1, 1, 3, 1, 2

That's 1.6 touchdowns per game, or 11.2 points from touchdowns in a game. Not very good. Had just one field goal per game been turned into a TD during that stretch, this is a playoff team, and we wouldn't have needed late game heroics from both the offense and defense.

How can you say I don't have an argument when the inconsistent Packers spent a 5 game stretch where they averaged 11.2 points per game from touchdowns... That's beyond awful.

Consequently, during that time, we forced the following turnovers....
2, 0, 4, 3, 0

1.5 forced turnovers per game

During that time, we gave away the following turnovers....

2, 0, 1, 1, 2 with Rodgers playing a role in most of those.

With that said, the defense gave us a +3 turnover ratio, yet we still only managed to score a few points. What gives?!?

Forcing 1.5 turnovers a game is pretty damn good imo.

The above post demonstrates many of the reasons that I rarely engage in a discussion that you are involved in. I really have a hard time following any logic that you may have. In no particular order of importance, I offer the following comments on this and other recent posts by you:

1. Yes, its better to score TDs, but total points is more important; and fieldgoals DO count you know!

2. Rodgers "played a major role" in most of the Packer turnovers in a select number of games. What a shocking discovery! When does a QB NOT usually factor into most of the offensive turnovers? Generally the QB has far more interceptions alone than any other player has turnovers. Often the QB's interception total is greater than the fumbles that the rest of the offensive players have combined. It is not uncommon for the QB to be among the leaders, if not THE leader on offense in fumbles. Its the nature of the position, the fact he handles the ball on every play, and the inherent risks in the plays he is asked to execute. Yet you throw in that little phrase in as if it is a negative on Rodgers' performance.

3. Basically, you offer an excuse for every failure by the defense, but accept none for the offense.

4. The defense gets tired, but the offense didn't, apparently ever. (This is an argument many fail to recognize) You criticized Rodgers for "blowing it" when he couldn't muster yet another scoring drive after directing a drive that lasted 9:13 to take the lead with 2 minutes remaining, which the defense coughed up in just 27 seconds. Rodgers threw for 3 TDs that game. In the second half the offense scored on 4 consecutive possessions, every possesion they had until the last one. He was 4/4 on scoring/possessions up to that point. 20 points in the second half. Yet Rodgers "blew it" in your words. I could almost accept some of your other arguments if you would fess up to realities in some, like this one, and admit that the offense did everything that should have been expected of them, and that loss was squarely on the rest of the team in this game.

5. Driving the team to a winning fieldgoal attempt at the end of the game is a successful performance by the QB in that situation, most of the time. Once a team gets into FG range, it usually becomes conservative, not wanting to squander the opportunity with a risky play. We saw MM do that several times, both when FGs were missed to lose the game, and when FGs were made to take a lead, only to have the D give it right back.

6. I'm tired of typing, so I'll quit!

[Partial]

I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day (excuse)...................

We were moving the ball at will but couldn't convert yards into points.

[Patler]

I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day (excuse)...................

We were moving the ball at will but couldn't convert yards into points.

Not exactly true:

Scoring Drives:
63 yards
71 yards
74 yards
51 yards

Nonscoring drives:
-5 yards
36 yards (started at the GB 20)
17 yards
35 yards (stared at the GB 30, ended with an interception)
-10 yards
14 yards
39 yards (started at the GB 18)

It is more accurate to say they moved the ball inconsistently. On the four drives in which they moved the ball they got points (accounted for 259 yards). On 4 drives they did not move the ball well at all (getting -5, 17, -10 and 14 yards, 16 total), on one drive they had going (35 yards), an interception was thrown (I honestly do not remember the details of it) another drive (36 yards) was lost on downs (Finley dropped the 4th-and-1 throw). Their last possession started at their 18, they picked up two first downs, and punted. Their 7 non-scoring drives netted just 126 yards.

Hardly a game of moving the ball at will, but failing to convert yards into points.

[Fritz]

I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day (excuse)...................

We were moving the ball at will but couldn't convert yards into points.

Not exactly true:

Scoring Drives:
63 yards
71 yards
74 yards
51 yards

Nonscoring drives:
-5 yards
36 yards (started at the GB 20)
17 yards
35 yards (stared at the GB 30, ended with an interception)
-10 yards
14 yards
39 yards (started at the GB 18)

It is more accurate to say they moved the ball inconsistently. On the four drives in which they moved the ball they got points (accounted for 259 yards). On 4 drives they did not move the ball well at all (getting -5, 17, -10 and 14 yards, 16 total), on one drive they had going (35 yards), an interception was thrown (I honestly do not remember the details of it) another drive (36 yards) was lost on downs (Finley dropped the 4th-and-1 throw). Their last possession started at their 18, they picked up two first downs, and punted. Their 7 non-scoring drives netted just 126 yards.

Hardly a game of moving the ball at will, but failing to convert yards into points.

Patler, I believe you've unraveled Partial at will, but will fail to convert him to a logical use of facts.

[Scott Campbell]

I also recognize Tenn was off their game that day (excuse)...................

We were moving the ball at will but couldn't convert yards into points.

Not exactly true:

I like to say - Partially true.

[Bossman641]

I'm just excited to see where Partial takes this argument next. He just got Patlerized, so it's time to switch courses.