Nelson or Jones

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I love this circular logic as it relates to James and Jordy.

They aren't that good until they prove that they are.

Well, there is only one way to do that.

Send DD or GJ to the bench.

Neither plays enough snaps or is high enough in the read progression to become "proven".

A #3 WR has hit 1000 yds 4 times in the history of the NFL.

Unless of course, you grade their effectiveness instead of volume of production.

DD and JJ are virtually indistinguishable via effectiveness stats. Jordy lags behind.

Nope. You make a poor interpretation of what i'm saying.

First, how about a couple of years of production. If you aren't playing on the field you aren't producing. Jones fails on this because of being injured. Jordy fails because he is in his second year.

Second, show me something, show improvement. Jones had some issues his first year. Until he shows that he has improved, it is speculation. Jordy is in the same boat.

Nobody is suggesting 1000 yards, but consecutive 50 catch seasons might be nice. How about playing so well in limited time that you hear the coaches saying "we gotta get him on the field more...or something to that effect"

How about watching them and saying to yourself, wow, maybe Jones should start over DD. Or, jones needs to start so that he can take over..cause DD ain't gonna be around forever. Nobody is saying that. Or, watching and saying..."i wonder what we could get for DD cause we are missing X and i think we have enough at WR to get by, but X position is kinda weak and could be a problem."

please dont' put your values of how to judge a player on me or others. What you value or how you value isn't universal, nor is it the only way.

What i see is rampant homerism regarding our players, but especially our WRs. Ruvell was just the tip of the iceberg.

Fans on this board saying that the Vikes would LOVE to have J&J starting for them is beyond ridiculous. Perhaps this is an area that you can educate some on, instead of focusing on how j&j can prove themselves.

I think that Jones should start over Donald, and that Donald should be our slot WR. He is showing decline at getting open, MM is hiding it somewhat (kinda the same way that MM hid Favre's ever declining piss poor accuracy outside). He is doing the slant stuff and the deep seam stuff, and doing it well, but thing like deep ins, outs, and curls, Don just isn't playing like he used to, he almost never has "separation". Jones looked better than he ever has before in PS, and all it took IMO was a slight improvement in Jones, or slight decline in Don, for Jones to be better than Don. Jones runs a more complete route tree and tends to get more separation than Don. And Don has a bad flag problem that showed up again in PS, on 2 WR base sets we largely run, which has been where Don has been getting flagged.

What do you value in WR's? The ability to catch, the ability to gain yards, and ability to score is what I value.

I've always thought that Ruvell sucked. I don't think that Jordy is very good yet either. Jones is a different story.

I really don't care what you think about them. Don't say wow though, if one of our starters goes down, when Jones comes in and plays just as well. The signs are there if you look for them.

It is just amazing how you can jump in the middle of a discussion, not address the issue but create another, and then when asked to discuss it....you do everything but address it.

P.S. I won't need to say Wow, because i haven't said what i think about Jones. All i have addressed is the foolishness of saying some teams would LOVE to have him and Jordy as a starters.

P.P.S. Yeah, it was by accident that i mentioned Don.