Stallworth Pleads Guilty To DUI Manslaughter

[Patler]

There are many purposes for criminal punishment, and we may differ on what they are or how they should be ranked. But on any list, punishment to fulfill society's need for vengeance is quite low in priority, relative to punishing in a way to deter and rehabilitate the criminal, "compensate" and fulfill the need for vengeance of the victims, and to deter others in society from committing similar acts.

The period of incarceration is awful light, probably too light of a component in the overall punishment, but a lot of the other purposes for criminal punishment are met by the overall sentence. Those closest to the situation apparently felt that increased incarceration would not further the need to punish Stallworth and would not further the needs of the victims. The only purpose for greater incarceration would be to satisfy society.

Would the uproar be any less if the sentence was 1 year? 18 months? 2 years? Some might continue to be outraged at 5 years, or even 10.

If the criminal is truly remorseful, "rehabilitated"; and the victims family is satisfied, choosing a punishment purely to make society feel better is a difficult task.

Personally, I think something more than 30 days was in order, but that would only make me feel better and would serve no other purpose. All in all, my feelings are not very important in this situation.

[MOBB DEEP]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

[Zool]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

Exactly. Killed dogs and got 2 years. Stallworth kills a human and gets 30 days plus detention in the principals office.

[Gunakor]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

I think he has enough on his own plate to worry about right now. He need not concern himself with this. And even if he did, he only need to go back to his statements before his incarceration that he was absolutely clean, did nothing wrong, had nothing to do with dogfighting, etc. Perhaps if he were as cooperative and honest right from the very beginning as Stallworth has been the sentence would have been different for him too. Sucks for him.

[Patler]

I think he has enough on his own plate to worry about right now. He need not concern himself with this. And even if he did, he only need to go back to his statements before his incarceration that he was absolutely clean, did nothing wrong, had nothing to do with dogfighting, etc. Perhaps if he were as cooperative and honest right from the very beginning as Stallworth has been the sentence would have been different for him too. Sucks for him.

Exactly. Besides, Vick did what he did because he intended to do it. Everything was intentional. Stallworth killed a guy unintentionally because he was stupid. Yes, he is responsible for the result of his acts, but the result is not what he intended. That doesn't excuse him by any means, but there is a different angle to the culpability.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

Exactly. Killed dogs and got 2 years. Stallworth kills a human and gets 30 days plus detention in the principals office.

You don't see the difference tween and accident and something planned and executed. Sheesh.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty acknowledges that some on this board feel the sentence is light...conveniently leaving out the rest of the sentence.

Ty is posting while also completing his online traffic school...dang those scottsdale police.

Ty knows this...the gentleman killed was also at fault. He didn't cross at the crosswalk, he darted out, etc. Ty doesn't condone drunk driving, but ty isn't convinced that Stallworth wouldnt' have hit him sober.

Ty leaves all of you with this question, do you think the prosecutor is incompetent? Do you not understand that this deal was struck because of many reasons including a lack of evidence or feeling that it might be lost in court.

Would you all feel better or worse if Stallworth went to court with a high powered team of attorneys was was pronounced "not guilty."

[Scott Campbell]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

Who cares what that clown thinks.

[Zool]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

Exactly. Killed dogs and got 2 years. Stallworth kills a human and gets 30 days plus detention in the principals office.

You don't see the difference tween and accident and something planned and executed. Sheesh.

OK well I'm accidentally going to run over a dog while drinking. You don't agree that human life should be valued at a much higher price?

[MadScientist]

Ty acknowledges that some on this board feel the sentence is light...conveniently leaving out the rest of the sentence.

Ty is posting while also completing his online traffic school...dang those scottsdale police.

Ty knows this...the gentleman killed was also at fault. He didn't cross at the crosswalk, he darted out, etc. Ty doesn't condone drunk driving, but ty isn't convinced that Stallworth wouldnt' have hit him sober.

Ty leaves all of you with this question, do you think the prosecutor is incompetent? Do you not understand that this deal was struck because of many reasons including a lack of evidence or feeling that it might be lost in court.

Would you all feel better or worse if Stallworth went to court with a high powered team of attorneys was was pronounced "not guilty."

If Ty did the same thing Stallworth did, how long would Ty's ass be sitting in jail.

Combining the all the parts of the sentence and the level of fault of the victim does balance things out more. But the bottom line is that if feels like he will be spending less time in jail than a normal person, and different levels of justice for different classes of people creates outrage.

[Gunakor]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

Exactly. Killed dogs and got 2 years. Stallworth kills a human and gets 30 days plus detention in the principals office.

You don't see the difference tween and accident and something planned and executed. Sheesh.

OK well I'm accidentally going to run over a dog while drinking. You don't agree that human life should be valued at a much higher price?

Are you going to be fully cooperative with the authorities right from the very beginning of the investigation, or are you going to lie repeatedly about what happened? If you only look at the crime itself, yes, this is a horrible injustice. If you take into account the criminal's ownership of the crime, is he remorseful, is he cooperative, etc...

Maybe we should speak with the victims family, who seem to be just fine with this. As reported, they just wanted to put it behind them. They don't seem to view Stallworth as the same monster many viewed Vick as.

I'm not excusing what Stallworth did, don't take it that way. What I'm suggesting is that if Vick were as honest about his criminal activity as Stallworth has been regarding his, Vick could have gotten a significantly reduced sentence as well. It's not just dogs vs. humans, it's Stallworth's case vs. Vick's case. There's more to both than just the crime itself that was considered in sentencing.

[Patler]

Ty acknowledges that some on this board feel the sentence is light...conveniently leaving out the rest of the sentence.

Ty is posting while also completing his online traffic school...dang those scottsdale police.

Ty knows this...the gentleman killed was also at fault. He didn't cross at the crosswalk, he darted out, etc. Ty doesn't condone drunk driving, but ty isn't convinced that Stallworth wouldnt' have hit him sober.

Ty leaves all of you with this question, do you think the prosecutor is incompetent? Do you not understand that this deal was struck because of many reasons including a lack of evidence or feeling that it might be lost in court.

Would you all feel better or worse if Stallworth went to court with a high powered team of attorneys was was pronounced "not guilty."

I don't think we have left out the rest of the sentence. It's been listed on here and mentioned by many. I think most are aware of the other components of his sentence. Personally, I think the financial contributions to the two organizations are laughably small for a guy of his means, but the judge may have limits on what he can impose in that regard.

I have a problem with the 30 day sentence because it is almost like leaving a penny tip. It's almost more insulting to the conscience than if he had given him no time. It seems to me that he should have given him no time, or sufficient time that the incarceration alone interrupts the flow of his life. Six months or a year would do that. Even 90 days would have.

Now I am sure you will go on about the inconveniences resulting from the other components of his sentence, and I agree that there are some. However, I think there is a special significance to the inconvenience of incarceration, when your life is dictated by someone else 24/7. In this situation, I think the length of that inconvenience should be longer than an NFL training camp is.

[Scott Campbell]

If Ty did the same thing Stallworth did, how long would Ty's ass be sitting in jail.

Not nearly long enough.

[Scott Campbell]

OK well I'm accidentally going to run over a dog while drinking. You don't agree that human life should be valued at a much higher price?

Do we get to pick the dog?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

SC, u think vick da great is outraged??

Exactly. Killed dogs and got 2 years. Stallworth kills a human and gets 30 days plus detention in the principals office.

You don't see the difference tween and accident and something planned and executed. Sheesh.

OK well I'm accidentally going to run over a dog while drinking. You don't agree that human life should be valued at a much higher price?

Of course. That isn't the issue, you are clouding it.

But, i'm sure the dog's wife and puppies will appreciate the settlement.