Stallworth Pleads Guilty To DUI Manslaughter

[Fritz]

Do dogs have wives?

Are puppies children?

Is Ty's use of the third person an indication of Snake's influence on this board, or entirely unrelated?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty acknowledges that some on this board feel the sentence is light...conveniently leaving out the rest of the sentence.

Ty is posting while also completing his online traffic school...dang those scottsdale police.

Ty knows this...the gentleman killed was also at fault. He didn't cross at the crosswalk, he darted out, etc. Ty doesn't condone drunk driving, but ty isn't convinced that Stallworth wouldnt' have hit him sober.

Ty leaves all of you with this question, do you think the prosecutor is incompetent? Do you not understand that this deal was struck because of many reasons including a lack of evidence or feeling that it might be lost in court.

Would you all feel better or worse if Stallworth went to court with a high powered team of attorneys was was pronounced "not guilty."

If Ty did the same thing Stallworth did, how long would Ty's ass be sitting in jail.

Combining the all the parts of the sentence and the level of fault of the victim does balance things out more. But the bottom line is that if feels like he will be spending less time in jail than a normal person, and different levels of justice for different classes of people creates outrage.

Ty: maybe less..as Ty doesn't have Donte's money, would go to court and win the case.

Normal person: who are they? How do you define normalcy?

Justice: Are you new to this country. THis country always has different justice, cars, jobs, companies, etc..for those with more money.

I'll expect the same level of outrage for the poor who have to rely on overworked Public Defenders who plea bargain their cases out..regardless of innocence or guilt.

I'll expect the same outrage for "normal" folk who go to court with "normal" attorneys who lose to more expensive and better attorneys.

But, i doubt i'll hear anything from you or the rest of the forum..those cases happen daily, and they arent' reported.

I guess those chants of "no justice, no peace" ring a bit more loudly now.

[Fritz]

No, I'm with ya, Ty.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Do dogs have wives?

Are puppies children?

Is Ty's use of the third person an indication of Snake's influence on this board, or entirely unrelated?

Wives: No, but they will be recognized if we allow gay marriage.

Ty: Ty was on this board long before snake...snake is aping ty.

[Fritz]

And . . . are puppies children?

[KYPack]

You've always got "Biggun-ized", Ty.

That's some bullshit you invented for sure.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty acknowledges that some on this board feel the sentence is light...conveniently leaving out the rest of the sentence.

Ty is posting while also completing his online traffic school...dang those scottsdale police.

Ty knows this...the gentleman killed was also at fault. He didn't cross at the crosswalk, he darted out, etc. Ty doesn't condone drunk driving, but ty isn't convinced that Stallworth wouldnt' have hit him sober.

Ty leaves all of you with this question, do you think the prosecutor is incompetent? Do you not understand that this deal was struck because of many reasons including a lack of evidence or feeling that it might be lost in court.

Would you all feel better or worse if Stallworth went to court with a high powered team of attorneys was was pronounced "not guilty."

I don't think we have left out the rest of the sentence. It's been listed on here and mentioned by many. I think most are aware of the other components of his sentence. Personally, I think the financial contributions to the two organizations are laughably small for a guy of his means, but the judge may have limits on what he can impose in that regard.

I have a problem with the 30 day sentence because it is almost like leaving a penny tip. It's almost more insulting to the conscience than if he had given him no time. It seems to me that he should have given him no time, or sufficient time that the incarceration alone interrupts the flow of his life. Six months or a year would do that. Even 90 days would have.

Now I am sure you will go on about the inconveniences resulting from the other components of his sentence, and I agree that there are some. However, I think there is a special significance to the inconvenience of incarceration, when your life is dictated by someone else 24/7. In this situation, I think the length of that inconvenience should be longer than an NFL training camp is.

It was listed when Ty posted it, not before. That is telling. Manufactured outrage. I'm not saying we shouldn't be outraged, but let's at least start with the whole sentence and then pick out the part that outrages us.

Orgs: why should he even give money to them? I do acknowledge your point, my point would be that he shouldn't have to give to them at all. Better something than nothing.

30 days: I do see that point. But, he is on house arrest for a long time. And the license is not within the norm either. Neihter is his probation.

Essentially the plea puts him in the hands of the system for a long time. Ask anybody who has been in the system..and the one thing they want is to be out. They would rather due their sentence and have no probation than vice versa..not all, but most. Being on probation isn't easy..mentally or any other way.

As for jail, i dont' know about the jail and 6 months...sometimes you have guys in jail that are allowed to work while in jail..then return at night. Is that ok? Remember, jail isn't the same thing as prison..the prisoner and their rights are different.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You've always got "Biggun-ized", Ty.

That's some bullshit you invented for sure.

What part is bullshit?

[pbmax]

OK well I'm accidentally going to run over a dog while drinking. You don't agree that human life should be valued at a much higher price?

Yes, I believe it should, but that doesn't mean punishments for different crimes will always add up this way. When prosecuting a criminal, there are more factors to consider than "species". Stallworth committed one horrific act, without prior intention to do harm.

Vick, intentionally and repeatedly (you do remember than he personally killed multiple dogs?), with malice aforethought and while attempting to hide what he was doing, committed the same crimes over and over again. He not only committed them, he arranged and paid for others to do the same. And all of this illegal activity was to support another illegal activity - gambling on dog fights,

Just because each has had the same number of media circuses (one) doesn't mean the frequency of their behavior is the same.

[sheepshead]

From Goodall via PFT:


“The conduct reflected in your guilty plea resulted in the tragic loss of life and was inexcusable,” Goodell wrote to Stallworth. “While the criminal justice system has determined the legal consequences of this incident, it is my responsibility as NFL Commissioner to determine appropriate league discipline for your actions, which have caused irreparable harm to the victim and his family, your club, your fellow players and the NFL.

“The conduct that led to your conviction plainly violates both the Personal Conduct and Substances of Abuse policies. Either provides me with full authority to take appropriate disciplinary action against you, including a fine or suspension without pay, and to impose appropriate conditions on your continued participation in the NFL. In this case, there is ample evidence to warrant significant discipline under both policies.

“There is no reasonable dispute that your continued eligibility for participation at this time would undermine the integrity of and public confidence in our league. Accordingly, I have decided to suspend you indefinitely, effective immediately. In due course, we will contact your representatives to schedule a meeting with you, after which I will make a final determination on discipline. Pending my final determination, you will not be permitted to visit the club’s facility or participate in any team activities.

“Everyone associated with the league derives tremendous benefits from participating in our game and from the extraordinary support we receive from the public. With these benefits comes, among other things, the responsibility to conduct ourselves in a lawful and responsible way, with no entitlement to or expectation of favorable treatment.”


Hard Ball, I'm glad.

[pbmax]

Hard Ball, I'm glad.

While I like what Goodell is doing in general, its hard to root for justice when the motivating factor behind it is money.

Was the Personal Conduct Policy in place during Leonard Little's trial?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hard Ball, I'm glad.

While I like what Goodell is doing in general, its hard to root for justice when the motivating factor behind it is money.

Was the Personal Conduct Policy in place during Leonard Little's trial?

Which trial, the manslaughter in 98 or the felony case in 04.

Interesting sentencing disparity for little and manslaughter: Little received 90 days in jail, four years probation and 1000 hours of community service.

Stallworth's attorney is an idiot. Shoulda gone to trial.

[Scott Campbell]

I have a real problem with a 30 day sentence. This is an outrage.

Apparently the prosecutor, the judge, the family and others familiar with the case don't agree with you.

I stand by my opinion. This is an outrage. And now it appears that Goodall agrees with me.


From Goodall vie PFT:


“The conduct reflected in your guilty plea resulted in the tragic loss of life and was inexcusable,” Goodell wrote to Stallworth. “While the criminal justice system has determined the legal consequences of this incident, it is my responsibility as NFL Commissioner to determine appropriate league discipline for your actions, which have caused irreparable harm to the victim and his family, your club, your fellow players and the NFL.

“The conduct that led to your conviction plainly violates both the Personal Conduct and Substances of Abuse policies. Either provides me with full authority to take appropriate disciplinary action against you, including a fine or suspension without pay, and to impose appropriate conditions on your continued participation in the NFL. In this case, there is ample evidence to warrant significant discipline under both policies.

“There is no reasonable dispute that your continued eligibility for participation at this time would undermine the integrity of and public confidence in our league. Accordingly, I have decided to suspend you indefinitely, effective immediately. In due course, we will contact your representatives to schedule a meeting with you, after which I will make a final determination on discipline. Pending my final determination, you will not be permitted to visit the club’s facility or participate in any team activities.

“Everyone associated with the league derives tremendous benefits from participating in our game and from the extraordinary support we receive from the public. With these benefits comes, among other things, the responsibility to conduct ourselves in a lawful and responsible way, with no entitlement to or expectation of favorable treatment.”

[DannoMac21]

FREE VICK DA GREAT...!!!!

lmfao

[pbmax]

Eh, this joke wasn't worth the effort.