Breaking News: Steve McNair DEAD!

[SkinBasket]

Some people have empathy as a trait and some people don't. It's as simple as that.

The empathy of which you speak is artificial and emotional.

Most people driving to work listening to radio news and hearing about a) a random murder-suicide and b) a random puppy hit by a truck are more emotionally moved by the latter, even though everyone would rationally agree that the former rather than the latter is the more significant event.

The only reason anyone cares is because certain neurons fired in recognition of the name McNair, an underdog hero, the tiny college long-shot American dream guy.

I still get more choked up about the puppy.

Real feelings of empathy are reserved for people who know his family. If you cried when you heard the news you are not automatically entitled to being called empathetic, but I can think of other adjectives.

+100. I have feelings for you right now. Does that make me empathetic?

[Rastak]

Some people have empathy as a trait and some people don't. It's as simple as that.

The empathy of which you speak is artificial and emotional.

Most people driving to work listening to radio news and hearing about a) a random murder-suicide and b) a random puppy hit by a truck are more emotionally moved by the latter, even though everyone would rationally agree that the former rather than the latter is the more significant event.

The only reason anyone cares is because certain neurons fired in recognition of the name McNair, an underdog hero, the tiny college long-shot American dream guy.

I still get more choked up about the puppy.

Real feelings of empathy are reserved for people who know his family. If you cried when you heard the news you are not automatically entitled to being called empathetic, but I can think of other adjectives.

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1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
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It doesn't say jack about having to know someone to empathize.

There are many examples of people in the news that are regular people who a person might empathize with. I'd like to know how you can judge every other person's feeling and call them artificial. They are what they are.

I can say for a short period of time I felt terrible when I heard a local story about a grandmother smothering her grandson by falling asleep on him just a few days ago. While I didn't lose alot of sleep over it, it was very sad to hear.

[Deputy Nutz]

Sorry, you don't KNOW he didn't care about them.

Wife/Husband and children are completely separate relationships. I agree if he was cheating he disrespected his children by doing so...but to say he didn't love them is out of line......IMO.

Doesn't matter anyway IMO.....back to the original question.....we should only feel bad for the kids of the "good" men?

ding ding ding - we have a winner on that one. The marriage can be over. That doesn't change one iota how a parent feels about his children.

Now to try and figure out how to comment on Rastak's empathy comment...

It is one thing when the marriage ends. But if you are cheating on your spouse, disrespecting your children's mother, are you not cheating on your family as well? You are deciding to spend time with a person outside of your family structure in a romantic way, spending money on them, cutting time that you could be giving to your children, instead you are sneaking out of the house to go fuck a 20 year old and take her on really cool vacations.

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The only reason this thread is up here is because the guy could through a football really well. Where are all the other threads about all the regular people that have been murdered and also have children? He is no different.

Fuck empathy.

[mraynrand]

Does McNairs' wife have an iron-clad alibi? I'm guessing the wife - or a hired gun - shot McNair and then 'committed suicide' for the 20 year old. I'm guessing the wife due to the number of times McNair was shot. Looks like a lot of hate there. I'm guessing hired gun, because the wife probably would have wanted to shoot the 20 year old multiple times - and then it no longer is a plausible suicide. The worst part about this whole mess is that for the next several weeks, Jen and Angelina won't be getting the coverage in the tabloids that I expect and demand.

[Fritz]

There can never be too many pictures and articles concerening Jennifer Aniston. I'm right there with ya, mr.

[cpk1994]

Does McNairs' wife have an iron-clad alibi? I'm guessing the wife - or a hired gun - shot McNair and then 'committed suicide' for the 20 year old. I'm guessing the wife due to the number of times McNair was shot. Looks like a lot of hate there. I'm guessing hired gun, because the wife probably would have wanted to shoot the 20 year old multiple times - and then it no longer is a plausible suicide. The worst part about this whole mess is that for the next several weeks, Jen and Angelina won't be getting the coverage in the tabloids that I expect and demand.

The probelm with your scenario is that the door to the apt where they were was locked and there was no forced entry. A hired gun most likely wouldn't lock the door before leaving. Then you take into account that last Thursday, the woman got a DUI, McNair left her behind at the police station. And Now, ESPN is reporting that Police say accodring to a nephew of the woman, the woman recently purchased a handgun. The evidence almost clearly shows murder/suicide. Ballistics tests should confrim this.

My guess is that he went to the apt to break it off becuase of the DUI, which would probably have blown McNair's cover. She couldn't handle the dumping, snaapped and shot him. Then she shot herself becuase she "Couldn't live without him".

[Deputy Nutz]

Does McNairs' wife have an iron-clad alibi? I'm guessing the wife - or a hired gun - shot McNair and then 'committed suicide' for the 20 year old. I'm guessing the wife due to the number of times McNair was shot. Looks like a lot of hate there. I'm guessing hired gun, because the wife probably would have wanted to shoot the 20 year old multiple times - and then it no longer is a plausible suicide. The worst part about this whole mess is that for the next several weeks, Jen and Angelina won't be getting the coverage in the tabloids that I expect and demand.

The probelm with your scenario is that the door to the apt where they were was locked and there was no forced entry. A hired gun most likely wouldn't lock the door before leaving. Then you take into account that last Thursday, the woman got a DUI, McNair left her behind at the police station. And Now, ESPN is reporting that Police say accodring to a nephew of the woman, the woman recently purchased a handgun. The evidence almost clearly shows murder/suicide. Ballistics tests should confrim this.

My guess is that he went to the apt to break it off becuase of the DUI, which would probably have blown McNair's cover. She couldn't handle the dumping, snaapped and shot him. Then she shot herself becuase she "Couldn't live without him".

That is sad, my heart goes out to her nephew.

[GrnBay007]

Sorry, you don't KNOW he didn't care about them.

Wife/Husband and children are completely separate relationships. I agree if he was cheating he disrespected his children by doing so...but to say he didn't love them is out of line......IMO.

Doesn't matter anyway IMO.....back to the original question.....we should only feel bad for the kids of the "good" men?

ding ding ding - we have a winner on that one. The marriage can be over. That doesn't change one iota how a parent feels about his children.

Now to try and figure out how to comment on Rastak's empathy comment...

It is one thing when the marriage ends. But if you are cheating on your spouse, disrespecting your children's mother, are you not cheating on your family as well? You are deciding to spend time with a person outside of your family structure in a romantic way, spending money on them, cutting time that you could be giving to your children, instead you are sneaking out of the house to go fuck a 20 year old and take her on really cool vacations.

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The only reason this thread is up here is because the guy could through a football really well. Where are all the other threads about all the regular people that have been murdered and also have children? He is no different.

Fuck empathy.

I wasn't condoning his activity and think he made some extremely poor choices that hurt his wife, his children and in the end cost him his life. This conversation started because of this comment.....

I would feel worse for his children if he hadn't been killed by his mistress half his age

His kids not only have to deal with losing their dad, but also having it come out to the public that their dad was a dog. So yeah, I feel bad for them....as I would for any kids that have to go through this.

I don't think it's fair to say he didn't love his children because he had an affair.

[woodbuck27]

Does McNairs' wife have an iron-clad alibi? I'm guessing the wife - or a hired gun - shot McNair and then 'committed suicide' for the 20 year old. I'm guessing the wife due to the number of times McNair was shot. Looks like a lot of hate there. I'm guessing hired gun, because the wife probably would have wanted to shoot the 20 year old multiple times - and then it no longer is a plausible suicide. The worst part about this whole mess is that for the next several weeks, Jen and Angelina won't be getting the coverage in the tabloids that I expect and demand.

The probelm with your scenario is that the door to the apt where they were was locked and there was no forced entry. A hired gun most likely wouldn't lock the door before leaving. Then you take into account that last Thursday, the woman got a DUI, McNair left her behind at the police station. And Now, ESPN is reporting that Police say accodring to a nephew of the woman, the woman recently purchased a handgun. The evidence almost clearly shows murder/suicide. Ballistics tests should confrim this.

My guess is that he went to the apt to break it off becuase of the DUI, which would probably have blown McNair's cover. She couldn't handle the dumping, snaapped and shot him. Then she shot herself becuase she "Couldn't live without him".

Your reading too many homicide detective books or your bang on?

Trouble with your story. It seems ( I thought I read) that Steve McNair was away from home for a couple of days. Should it take him that long to call her out on the DUI (if that's true?) and the affair/relationship off?

Maybe he complained over her cooking and that set the whole thing off?

We likely will never know. It looks like murder - suicide.

[mission]

I was under the impression that he was still legally married to his wife but split up from her... had a roommate, lived in this condo, etc ...

[cpk1994]

Does McNairs' wife have an iron-clad alibi? I'm guessing the wife - or a hired gun - shot McNair and then 'committed suicide' for the 20 year old. I'm guessing the wife due to the number of times McNair was shot. Looks like a lot of hate there. I'm guessing hired gun, because the wife probably would have wanted to shoot the 20 year old multiple times - and then it no longer is a plausible suicide. The worst part about this whole mess is that for the next several weeks, Jen and Angelina won't be getting the coverage in the tabloids that I expect and demand.

The probelm with your scenario is that the door to the apt where they were was locked and there was no forced entry. A hired gun most likely wouldn't lock the door before leaving. Then you take into account that last Thursday, the woman got a DUI, McNair left her behind at the police station. And Now, ESPN is reporting that Police say accodring to a nephew of the woman, the woman recently purchased a handgun. The evidence almost clearly shows murder/suicide. Ballistics tests should confrim this.

My guess is that he went to the apt to break it off becuase of the DUI, which would probably have blown McNair's cover. She couldn't handle the dumping, snaapped and shot him. Then she shot herself becuase she "Couldn't live without him".

Your reading too many homicide detective books or your bang on?

Trouble with your story it seems is I thought that McNair was away from home for a couple of days. Should it take him that long to call her out and the affair/relationship off. Maybe he complained over her cooking and that set the whole thing off?

We likely will never know. Murder -suicide.

Yes, but we really don't know where he was. But it seems more than just coincidence that two days before their deaths, she gets a DUI and he leaves her high and dry at the police station.

[woodbuck27]

Does McNairs' wife have an iron-clad alibi? I'm guessing the wife - or a hired gun - shot McNair and then 'committed suicide' for the 20 year old. I'm guessing the wife due to the number of times McNair was shot. Looks like a lot of hate there. I'm guessing hired gun, because the wife probably would have wanted to shoot the 20 year old multiple times - and then it no longer is a plausible suicide. The worst part about this whole mess is that for the next several weeks, Jen and Angelina won't be getting the coverage in the tabloids that I expect and demand.

The probelm with your scenario is that the door to the apt where they were was locked and there was no forced entry. A hired gun most likely wouldn't lock the door before leaving. Then you take into account that last Thursday, the woman got a DUI, McNair left her behind at the police station. And Now, ESPN is reporting that Police say accodring to a nephew of the woman, the woman recently purchased a handgun. The evidence almost clearly shows murder/suicide. Ballistics tests should confrim this.

My guess is that he went to the apt to break it off becuase of the DUI, which would probably have blown McNair's cover. She couldn't handle the dumping, snaapped and shot him. Then she shot herself becuase she "Couldn't live without him".

Your reading too many homicide detective books or your bang on?

Trouble with your story it seems is I thought that McNair was away from home for a couple of days. Should it take him that long to call her out and the affair/relationship off. Maybe he complained over her cooking and that set the whole thing off?

We likely will never know. Murder -suicide.

Yes, but we really don't know where he was. But it seems more than just coincidence that two days before their deaths, she gets a DUI and he leaves her high and dry at the police station.

If . . . . he left her high and dry? That would likely piss her off. Soon the CSI's will have it pegged.

[SkinBasket]

I don't think it's fair to say he didn't love his children because he had an affair.

Fine, he loved his kids (or maybe not). He just happened to love teenage vagina more.

[Rastak]

I don't think it's fair to say he didn't love his children because he had an affair.

Fine, he loved his kids (or maybe not). He just happened to love teenage vagina more.

Or maybe not.....what a fun exercise......

[Brando19]

Here's some new developments from http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl

According to several NashvillePost.com sources, it is at Blue Moon Lagoon where Steve McNair's evening took an ominous turn. While sitting with friends at the restaurant (sources say that Kazemi was not in the party), a white woman in her early 20s, about 5-foot-4, approached McNair and accused him of slipping her a "roofie" a year ago. The woman then told McNair, according to sources, that her boyfriend was going to kill him. Roofie is a slang term for Rohypnol, a sedative dating back to the early 1970s that is used in hospitals for deep sedation, but is now a fairly infamous date-rape drug. After confronting McNair, sources say that the woman was asked to leave the restaurant. As of now, there is no known connection between the blonde woman's warning and the events that unfolded just a few hours later. It could well be an eerie coincidence. Still, Metro Police are interviewing patrons and staff members at Blue Moon Lagoon. -- Nashville Post