JS Jolly article

[CaptainKickass]

This more closely resembles an article:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

In it they speculate that this could be drawn out so as not to affect this season. Meaning - Jolly is good to go for this year.

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[Freak Out]

They will refile the case after police "are trained on the new equipment and learn to testify about the results"? WTF did he do again? Drive around with spiked kool aid? Just say no........

[woodbuck27]

Jolly's charges were dropped today.

Houston DA's ofc states they may file again later.

Good for Johnny Jolly. Now he has to hang with cooler people or hot dames.

Waldo. Solid info. offered by you in this thread Re: the different skills needed by DT's for various degrees of success or not stopping the run and pass, being a two or three down DT and containing the QB.

GO PACK GO!

[MadScientist]

They will refile the case after police "are trained on the new equipment and learn to testify about the results"? WTF did he do again? Drive around with spiked kool aid? Just say no........

They are trying to figure out what to do because they know they are trying to gin up the charge by a factor of 1000, and their new equipment proves it all too well. I suspect the next charge will be much lower, and maybe not at all if the statute of limitations is up for a smaller charge.

[Waldo]

They will refile the case after police "are trained on the new equipment and learn to testify about the results"? WTF did he do again? Drive around with spiked kool aid? Just say no........

They are trying to figure out what to do because they know they are trying to gin up the charge by a factor of 1000, and their new equipment proves it all too well. I suspect the next charge will be much lower, and maybe not at all if the statute of limitations is up for a smaller charge.

He was charged as if he had pure Codeine in the cups (measuring by weight of liquid). The stupid GB newpaper (I forget which one (edit, the one that is the OP of this thread)) recently had "no doctor would proscribe that much....." in an article after interviewing a pharmacist, I am inclined to think that those morons have yet to realize that the cops weighed all of the liquid, not just the Codiene, and charged him as if all the liquid were pure Codiene.

With this reworking of the charge, IMO it will shift from a felony to a petty misdemeanor.

There are other oddities in this case, like the cops found multiple cups, but 1 less than the number of people in the car. They approached the car because of loud music, an inference that the keys were in the ignition (most cars need the keys to run the subs, even if the radio can do without, and most cars don't have radios that attract cops without subs), if that is the case, where is the DUI, driver seat+keys+under influence = DUI. How did he pass the NFL drug tests that he surely got? Always dicey with a vehicle search, Cops always screw up a technicality, few people busted can afford the lawyer to screw the cops on that through, Jolly can. Plus the BS quantities he was being charged with....

Lotta things aren't right in this case.

I said from day 1 when the first figments of details were leaked out, that I would be shocked if he was actually found guilty of anything more than a petty misdemeanor, and that most likely he would be found not guilty or the charges dropped. If he was actually guilty of anything, he would have done a plea deal. He's taking it to court convinced he is getting off scott free.

[packrulz]

Ruling likely pushes case past this season
Even if prosecutors refile a drug charge against Packers lineman Johnny Jolly within 90 days, there is a strong likelihood the case won't end up in a courtroom until after the 2009 season.

According to those who know more on the topic than I, the use of a chemical analyzer opens the door to a raft of expert testimony, all of which would have to be vetted before trial. A single motion from Jolly's attorneys easily could push the case into January or beyond.

Unless NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell changes his stance regarding first-time offenders of the personal conduct policy, Jolly likely would also avoid league discipline until the new case is resolved.

So, at this stage, the smart money is on Jolly being available for the entire season.

UPDATE: Said Packers linebacker Nick Barnett via Twitter: "Congrats to jolly!!! Yes !!! Need that guy!!!"

-- Tom Pelissero, tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com

http://twitter.com/tompelissero

[pbmax]

He was charged as if he had pure Codeine in the cups (measuring by weight of liquid). The stupid GB newpaper (I forget which one (edit, the one that is the OP of this thread)) recently had "no doctor would proscribe that much....." in an article after interviewing a pharmacist, I am inclined to think that those morons have yet to realize that the cops weighed all of the liquid, not just the Codiene, and charged him as if all the liquid were pure Codiene.

With this reworking of the charge, IMO it will shift from a felony to a petty misdemeanor.

There are other oddities in this case, like the cops found multiple cups, but 1 less than the number of people in the car. They approached the car because of loud music, an inference that the keys were in the ignition (most cars need the keys to run the subs, even if the radio can do without, and most cars don't have radios that attract cops without subs), if that is the case, where is the DUI, driver seat+keys+under influence = DUI. How did he pass the NFL drug tests that he surely got? Always dicey with a vehicle search, Cops always screw up a technicality, few people busted can afford the lawyer to screw the cops on that through, Jolly can. Plus the BS quantities he was being charged with....

Lotta things aren't right in this case.

I said from day 1 when the first figments of details were leaked out, that I would be shocked if he was actually found guilty of anything more than a petty misdemeanor, and that most likely he would be found not guilty or the charges dropped. If he was actually guilty of anything, he would have done a plea deal. He's taking it to court convinced he is getting off scott free.

Given that the lab staff do not yet know how to work the machine that tells them how much codeine was in the liquid, I think you have a solid point. But how much does the liquid weigh in terms of grams? Liquid containers usually label the contents in milliliters(mL), not grams. Does the liquid in half a Dr. Pepper bottle weigh 200-400 grams? Or is that the fraction of the total they assumed was codeine?

If so, this was a great waste of time. And it makes the excuses of postponing the trial look like lies. It is also all the more confusing since Houston has been battling this problem for a while and these types of mistakes would seem to be the kind made by inexperienced folks.

[hoosier]

He was charged as if he had pure Codeine in the cups (measuring by weight of liquid). The stupid GB newpaper (I forget which one (edit, the one that is the OP of this thread)) recently had "no doctor would proscribe that much....." in an article after interviewing a pharmacist, I am inclined to think that those morons have yet to realize that the cops weighed all of the liquid, not just the Codiene, and charged him as if all the liquid were pure Codiene.

With this reworking of the charge, IMO it will shift from a felony to a petty misdemeanor.

There are other oddities in this case, like the cops found multiple cups, but 1 less than the number of people in the car. They approached the car because of loud music, an inference that the keys were in the ignition (most cars need the keys to run the subs, even if the radio can do without, and most cars don't have radios that attract cops without subs), if that is the case, where is the DUI, driver seat+keys+under influence = DUI. How did he pass the NFL drug tests that he surely got? Always dicey with a vehicle search, Cops always screw up a technicality, few people busted can afford the lawyer to screw the cops on that through, Jolly can. Plus the BS quantities he was being charged with....

Lotta things aren't right in this case.

I said from day 1 when the first figments of details were leaked out, that I would be shocked if he was actually found guilty of anything more than a petty misdemeanor, and that most likely he would be found not guilty or the charges dropped. If he was actually guilty of anything, he would have done a plea deal. He's taking it to court convinced he is getting off scott free.

Given that the lab staff do not yet know how to work the machine that tells them how much codeine was in the liquid, I think you have a solid point. But how much does the liquid weigh in terms of grams? Liquid containers usually label the contents in milliliters(mL), not grams. Does the liquid in half a Dr. Pepper bottle weigh 200-400 grams? Or is that the fraction of the total they assumed was codeine?

If so, this was a great waste of time. And it makes the excuses of postponing the trial look like lies. It is also all the more confusing since Houston has been battling this problem for a while and these types of mistakes would seem to be the kind made by inexperienced folks.

For water 1ml = 1g. The density of codeine is not much different from water, so let's call it a wash. So then 200-400 grams would be between a third and two thirds of a 20oz. soda bottle.

If I had to guess I would say that is the entire contents of the bottle they confiscated, not the codeine content. Sounds like somebody in the Houston PD or the lab made a boneheaded mistake.

[pbmax]

For water 1ml = 1g.

At 4 degrees Celsius, that is true!

[Freak Out]

Chemistry

[vince]

It looks like he's going to get off on this, which as a Packer fan, I'm glad about. I'm glad he'll have every opportunity to prove himself on the field this year without missing time. While he doesn't get to the QB, he does seem to have a knack for batting balls down. Although, if Harrell is healthy, I think he is in the rotation at DE ahead of Jolly. Purely as a player, I don't think Jolly is ideally suited for either the DE or NT position in this defense.

On the personal side of this, it remains concerning. It's not something to make light of as if he (or his buddies) were just taking a tablespoon of cough medicine. I don't know if Jolly was taking the Drank, but he obviously was at least a party to it, which shows some character issues that, unless he really steps up this year on the field (which I don't see), I think cause the Packers to not re-sign him.

Consuming Codeine in that fashion is illegal for good reason. It's not something to fuck with. As a derivative of heroine, it is a potentially addicting narcotic that, when taken in too large of doses (like when dumping it with soda and chugging it down), causes coma, heart problems, kidney problems, liver failure, slow heartbeat, troubled breathing, and vomiting. Those combinations kill. It ain't pot he was smoking (which I believe was also in the car).

[Fritz]

Well put, Vince.

I think the Packers have wrung as much as they can from Jolly. It would seem he'll end up in a 4-3 scheme somewhere, maybe Oakland if Jolly can ante up a bit on the hijinks. I don't think this "Drank" stuff, dangerous though it might be, is quite up to Raiders' standards.

[Bretsky]

Jolly is good as gone next year due to character IMO

[Patler]

Jolly is good as gone next year due to character IMO

I think so too. I would feel differently if he came out and said things like, "While I wasn't doing anything myself, I realize I put myself in a very bad situation, and I can't do that in the future." Something to make me think he had a real awakening by this "near miss".

Instead, his comments have been to almost blow it off as if it wasn't anything at all. The reality of it is that he put himself in a situation that could take away his entire immediate future. From the comments I have read, he doesn't seem to realize that, which means he is likely to repeat the same mistakes again.

[pbmax]

Jolly might get off on the codeine charge, but there is some other troubling info contained in the documents on the case:

JSO has an article by Ken Fountain that claims documents filed in the case show a urine test for Jolly that tested positive for marijuana on the night of his arrest. He tested negative for everything else, including the codeine.

If its Jolly first brush with this, he won't miss time. If he was already in the NFL Substance Abuse program, it could mean four games.

JSO Jolly followup by Ken Fountain - 7-17-09