TT as GM. What's w/ the OL and DL lines? Just Atrocious.....

[Patler]

When I was in high school, Forrest Gregg was the coach and I rarely got to see the Packers.

...and I watched Forrest Gregg play for the Packers.

I watched the very end of his career but was much more concerned about watching Eller and Page, Krause and Bobby Bryant. I don't recall much about the late 60's Packers, just when Brockington and Lane were the dynamic duo in the early 70's.

Too bad. You just missed the really good part of the Packers! That was a really amazing time, the 1960s. Football had made its move into big time entertainment, and a team from little old Green Bay WI was THE team to beat.

[Rastak]

When I was in high school, Forrest Gregg was the coach and I rarely got to see the Packers.

...and I watched Forrest Gregg play for the Packers.

I watched the very end of his career but was much more concerned about watching Eller and Page, Krause and Bobby Bryant. I don't recall much about the late 60's Packers, just when Brockington and Lane were the dynamic duo in the early 70's.

Too bad. You just missed the really good part of the Packers! That was a really amazing time, the 1960s. Football had made its move into big time entertainment, and a team from little old Green Bay WI was THE team to beat.

I remember the name Vince Lombardi being discussed all the time when I was a 5 year old kid. The first superbowl I watched was the Vikings - Chiefs, so yea, I missed some dominant football.

[MJZiggy]

I'm WAYYYYYYY too young for this conversation...

[cheesner]

...and I watched Forrest Gregg play for the Packers.

....or that Patler is an old fart who has been following the Packers since their inception! (I'm really in high school!)

Dang! How many years have you been held back?!?

[Patler]

...and I watched Forrest Gregg play for the Packers.

....or that Patler is an old fart who has been following the Packers since their inception! (I'm really in high school!)

Dang! How many years have you been held back?!?

[Waldo]

...and I watched Forrest Gregg play for the Packers.

....or that Patler is an old fart who has been following the Packers since their inception! (I'm really in high school!)

Dang! How many years have you been held back?!?

HS math teacher?

[Patler]

...and I watched Forrest Gregg play for the Packers.

....or that Patler is an old fart who has been following the Packers since their inception! (I'm really in high school!)

Dang! How many years have you been held back?!?

HS math teacher?

No. I was just kidding about the high school part. That whole line was just meant to be an absurdity, just like the story of the player belting a coach. I haven't seen the inside of a high school for a long, long time, since the last of my brood graduated; and they are all long since done with college.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: TT as GM. What's w/ the OL and DL lines? Just Atrocious.

Interesting take on Snake's Take but here goes. We all have an opinion...

IMO, some of your assumptions are not well supported by the facts. I don't see it anywhere as pitiful as you make it out, but this year will tell us much.

Packnut made some good points on a different topic and Snake got to thinking...

Personally I like Ted as our GM. Seems shrewd with FA and resignings....Good overall and likes to pay the top guys..which again is good.

But what is the core of philosophy of what good GM's/talent evaluators/media, etc. say? Good lines (OL and DL) win games. That is so true in the NFL for many decades.

Yes...and no. The skill players naturally get more attention than the lineman, so good lines deserve more credit than they often get. As a single position, however, there are other positions that are more important.

I DO agree.

Packnut made a topic about the sorry state of our OL. Then I thought about that even sorrier DL.

Draft picks (no real FA acquisitions)....and that is is fine. But rarely have they worked out other than "next year" and the year after under TT for either DL or OL, thus far.

Pickett may was an outstanding FA acquisition that has served us very well. He has brought in for several FA OL, Preston being the latest.

When I said no real FA acquisitions, I meant overall, but I understand what you are saying. 1 guy in 5 years that did something on either OL or DL from FA...Pickett has been solid, but he slipped last year a bit, and don't expect a top-tier guy this year from him. Preston?? Ok...then.

Really, Snake likes TT, but to take a body of work over 5 seasons (it has been 5 now) I came to realization that that the OL is pretty below average and the DL is just dreadful coming into 2009.

Our offense has been pretty damn good over the past three years. Our DL was considered deep and talented only two years ago.

Yes...That was 2 years ago. Times have changed. With injuries, FA's leaving, busts, and felony charges for diff. guys who made up that line...This is now. It's pretty shaky.

So WTF now? Ted has done wonders with QB (Rodgers), WR (good drafts, resignings), TE, even RB looks Ok.....CB and Safety look good. LB look awesome IMO....but that subtracts from what is crucial...

The OL looks poor and the DL looks real bad.

Pickett, Raji, Jolly/Harrell is real bad for a 3-4?

Yes..Pickett slipped a bit last year, and looks older and wearing down a bit. Raji is a rookie. Who knows what he'll bring in 2009. Jolly....Will he even play? Harrell will play...?? I won't even go there.

I love BJ Raji (see the sig) but one man does not a D make. With Kampy off DL that looks bad for the poor, underequipped personall we have now. The OL looks poor, but how many draft picks do we need? 5 years, and yet it's still a weakness to the most die-hard Packer fan? Really?

Welcome to the NFL. The biggest ? is that young guys are unproven. Every team deals constantly deals with this.

That DL is riddled with question marks. The bright side is Jenkins MAY come back healthy, as I love him....and Kampy will prob. line up on the line, but is not a DL anymore. With the last bolded comment I just made, it seems pretty clear that there are tons of ? marks. Hopefully it works out.

Both lines (OL and DL) look weak in comparison to most NFL rosters.

No.

Disagree...The OL has promise as it's mostly a matter of the young guys putting it together over a full season. I concluded early last year that Cliffy and Tauch were toast. Yes, we have tons of young guys to step in and step up and maybe they do. The DL....just riddled with ? marks for a variety of reasons. If have of them step up...we'll be fine. But looking at the current roster and injury/legal/ and youth issues for both LINES, St. Peter would have a hard time having faith in both units coming together with so many issues at this point for the 2009 season. I hope I'm wrong, and have some optimism that we'll be OK, but right now, it looks kinda shaky.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: TT as GM. What's w/ the OL and DL lines? Just Atrocious.

On another note...damn some of you Rats are some old bastards. I always wondered...was Max McGee the party/bar nut that he's portrayed as?

Snake would have loved to have been grilling some brats pregame, and have Max come up, sign some autographs, slam a few Schlitz's, and proceed to see him rip off 8 catches for 110 yards and a coupla TD's. That is just good stuff.