DeShawn Wynn

[Waldo]

Well, er, ah, No.

Wynn has two long runs in his GB career. Against Detroit in 2008, Wynn ran 73 yards down the right sideline for a touchdown midway through the first quarter. The TD run was the longest of his career and the longest run by the Packers on the season. That's an accomplishment in a regular season division game and that counts for something.

Actually, I'd rate Lumpkin and Wynn about dead even, but…

Lumpkin sat out most of two seasons of college ball with serious knee injuries. Last year, he was out all season with the bad hamstring pull. Wynn has had injuries going on too, but I think Wynn has a little edge on Lumpkin.

Trade bait? Sure, I'd take a 6th for the guy we don't keep anytime. Sort of the same way we got Grant from the Giants. Some team wants to get a RB and doesn't want to gamble on a waiver deal.

Forgot about the carry against the lions. It's easy to forget, I suppose. It's not to Wynn's credit that he can rattle of a 70+ yard run against one of the worst teams in the history of teams. I only remember one play from either of the lions games, and that's the long 60 yard bomb that Rodgers threw to Jennings. You know, the one that you couldn't have run up and handed the ball to Jennings any cleaner than it fell to him.

Let me amend my previous statement: Wynn has only had 2 significant runs in his career, one being a result of a blatant uncalled holding penalty on Daryn Colledge against Chicago in 2007, and one against the 2008 detoilet lions. Doesn't sound a whole lot better from my perspective.

Look, there's probably going to be a dozen backs left in the 7th round of the 2010 draft that can do what Wynn does. There probably will be a few who never get a shot in the NFL. Wynn is not that good. What has anybody seen from him at all that should warrant high hopes?

You could argue that the long run against Detroit should come with an asterix. Looking at the replay, once Wynn gets past the first down line and into the Lions secondary there's NO ONE pursuing him for the last 60 yards of the run. Either the WR blocking on the play was absolutely phenomenal or the entire defense just gave up. A more significant play (though not technically a run) was the shovel pass Wynn took from Favre and turned into a 30+ yard gain late in a close game against the Eagles in 2007. He bailed the team out on a 3rd down in what was really a busted play.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...vre-highlights

Did you miss the one man bulldozer known as Daryn Colledge, who was the main lead blocker on the play (Wynn didn't get by him until he was 10-20 yards downfield)? DC started at RT and put 4 defenders on the ground while out in front of Wynn.

I just looked more closely at the replay and you're right, College does take out four Lions on that play. To be fair, two of the four get tangled up with falling teammates. Still an impressive lead to follow. If I had to pick a metaphor I'm not sure whether bulldozing or bowling is more apt.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-m...-Open-Wynn-dow

I hope Barbre can bring that dimension to RT, Tausher just couldn't do that, he wasn't nearly fast enough to get out to the sidelines and then keep going down the sideline. Plus DC excels at planting defenders on their rears quickly. Barbre has the speed to make it work.

[Patler]

Did you miss the one man bulldozer known as Daryn Colledge, who was the main lead blocker on the play (Wynn didn't get by him until he was 10-20 yards downfield)? DC started at RT and put 4 defenders on the ground while out in front of Wynn.

I just looked more closely at the replay and you're right, College does take out four Lions on that play. To be fair, two of the four get tangled up with falling teammates. Still an impressive lead to follow. If I had to pick a metaphor I'm not sure whether bulldozing or bowling is more apt.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-m...-Open-Wynn-dow

I hope Barbre can bring that dimension to RT, Tausher just couldn't do that, he wasn't nearly fast enough to get out to the sidelines and then keep going down the sideline. Plus DC excels at planting defenders on their rears quickly. Barbre has the speed to make it work.

From a Chad Clifton interview (after saying he misses Tauscher):

"As far as raw talent, this line is one of the best I've played on. "Allen Barbre is one of the most athletic linemen that's ever been on the team. As camp goes along there's some young guys that will solidify it."

Incidentally, Clifton said he is down 15 pounds from his normal playing weight. Thought lighter might be better for his knees. He claims to be feeling better than he has in years, after having four off season surgeries, both knees in January and both shoulders in February.

[Waldo]

Barbre OTOH said his weight is back up. Last year he gained muscle at the expense of bulk, and came into camp at 290, this year with the new S&C coach, he's back up to 305.

[BallHawk]

DeShawn is no better than Arliss Beach.

[Waldo]

DeShawn is no better than Arliss Beach.

He looked great that one year, practically everybody had high hopes for him going into his second camp.

And he fell flat on his face. It was bad. Beach was terrible on the second go round.

Wynn has been a lot better than some people think. He's one of our best at blitz pickups. His career average is 5.4 ypc. He averages a TD on 8.6% of his carries (5 TD's in 58 carries) (compared to Grant's 2.4% (12 TD's in 500 carries) and Jackson's 1.7% (2 TD's in 120 carries)). In actual football games Wynn has performed very well.

[Patler]

Barbre OTOH said his weight is back up. Last year he gained muscle at the expense of bulk, and came into camp at 290, this year with the new S&C coach, he's back up to 305.

Wells has reshaped himself too. He said his weight and strength are at all-time highs.

[BallHawk]

DeShawn is no better than Arliss Beach.

He looked great that one year, practically everybody had high hopes for him going into his second camp.

And he fell flat on his face. It was bad. Beach was terrible on the second go round.

I remember he had one great camp and then hurt himself in the preseason (leg?) and they put him on IR. I seem to remember that they released him sometime after the season ended. I don't remember him getting a second training camp.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wynn has been a lot better than some people think. He's one of our best at blitz pickups. His career average is 5.4 ypc. He averages a TD on 8.6% of his carries (5 TD's in 58 carries) (compared to Grant's 2.4% (12 TD's in 500 carries) and Jackson's 1.7% (2 TD's in 120 carries)). In actual football games Wynn has performed very well.

These are the best cherry pickin' stats I've seen in awhile. The dude had eight runs last year. Seven of them were against the 0-16 Lions. He had a 73 yards run against them. Take away that one run and his career ypc is 4.2. He averaged 4.1 ypc in 2007. He ran for 4 yards on his one carry before the Lions game. I have no doubt he could average 4.1 ypc. (Most guys can with the right OL.) It's whether he can stay on the field long enough to be more than a tease.

[hoosier]

DeShawn is no better than Arliss Beach.

He looked great that one year, practically everybody had high hopes for him going into his second camp.

And he fell flat on his face. It was bad. Beach was terrible on the second go round.

I remember he had one great camp and then hurt himself in the preseason (leg?) and they put him on IR. I seem to remember that they released him sometime after the season ended. I don't remember him getting a second training camp.

IIRC he was only with the Packers for one preseason and got cut before the 2007 camp after they signed BJax. If anyone has a burning desire to know more about Arliss Beach than you learn from Wikipedia, there's a forum where you can feast on internet rumors about his girlfriend, or his lack of girlfriend, or his having too many girlfriends. http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/girlf...x/Arliss_Beach

[Waldo]

Wynn has been a lot better than some people think. He's one of our best at blitz pickups. His career average is 5.4 ypc. He averages a TD on 8.6% of his carries (5 TD's in 58 carries) (compared to Grant's 2.4% (12 TD's in 500 carries) and Jackson's 1.7% (2 TD's in 120 carries)). In actual football games Wynn has performed very well.

These are the best cherry pickin' stats I've seen in awhile. The dude had eight runs last year. Seven of them were against the 0-16 Lions. He had a 73 yards run against them. Take away that one run and his career ypc is 4.2. He averaged 4.1 ypc in 2007. He ran for 4 yards on his one carry before the Lions game. I have no doubt he could average 4.1 ypc. (Most guys can with the right OL.) It's whether he can stay on the field long enough to be more than a tease.

Cherry picking stats? YPA, and TDPA are considered the best stats to gauge the ability of a running back. Those are simple career #'s I gave.

Call it flukes or whatever all you want, fact is in 58 career carries, he has averaged 5.4 YPC and .086 TDPC, both of which are very good numbers. Take away Barry's long ones and he would look horrible. Wynn has carried the ball less than half as much as Jackson, yet has scored more than twice as much. Scoring is a special trait IMO for skill player, and unlike our other backs, Wynn can score.

[SkinBasket]

IIRC he was only with the Packers for one preseason and got cut before the 2007 camp after they signed BJax. If anyone has a burning desire to know more about Arliss Beach than you learn from Wikipedia, there's a forum where you can feast on internet rumors about his girlfriend, or his lack of girlfriend, or his having too many girlfriends. http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/girlf...x/Arliss_Beach

Hahaha! Thanks hoosier, that was actually kind of funny. An on-line ho fight about who gets to be Arliss Beach's whore while random visitors mock them. What could be better than such chunks of human wisdom as this:

The bottom line is Arliss Beach is crazy.. He must really have some deep rooted insecurities to feel he needs to have so many females in his life at one time. He never even stopped to think about them or their feelings .. If he loved or cared for any of you then he would never have destroyed so many peoples lives..

If Arliss Beach has the power to destroy people's lives, we're all fucked.

[run pMc]

YPA, and TDPA are considered the best stats to gauge the ability of a running back.

I agree to a point here. They certainly are good stats to use as a starting point.

Statistically speaking, I don't think 58 carries is a large enough sample size to gauge if he's a starter back, for example. If Wynn put up those numbers with ~100 carries this season I'd think otherwise.

I wouldn't put him as the #1 RB over Grant even though the YPA and TDPA stats provided are higher for Wynn.

Another mitigating factor is some coaches employ a goal-line back. Didn't M3 try that a few times with Kuhn or a QB sneak w/ Rodgers?

Either way, I'm hoping we see Grant get his burst and the RB depth/quality improve (w/ or w/o Wynn).

[BallHawk]

Just read Bedard's training camp blog and sounds like Wynn, once again, stood out. Made some good blocks. McCarthy said that he is "very, very impressed" with Wynn.

If he keeps this up, Brandon Jackson is gonna have to step it up.

[Partial]

"Very, very impressed with DeShawn Wynn." Direct quote from mccarthy

[KYPack]

Hold on.

Wynn is vying for the 3rd spot at RB. Grant starts, BJack backs up and runs some third down stuff. Wynn easily beats out Lumpkin to get the 3 spot. Those two guys (Lumpkin, Wynn) are real close physically, but Wynn has the edge based on his play last season.

Lumpkin would have to go off big time to get the roster spot. They will try to put Lumpkin on PS, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him get picked up.