Linebackers: Will Hawk Be A Two Down Player?

[SkinBasket]

Can we get Waldo in as our TC reporter? An article or two from him would blow away anything we get from reporters (and be a hell of a lead for the home page).

A picture of a dead squirrel would be a better lead for the home page right now as long as it linked to the forum instead of claiming the entire site has been down for maintenance for several months.

How about a Cleft Crusty Chat on the home page. Sure to draw in at least 1 or 2 new hits/year.

The Cleft Crusty post game chat has always been a fan favorite. It's certainly much much more entertaining than 99% of the comedy bits out there people get paid to write (Norm Chad's image leaps at me like vomit from a sick retarded kid's mouth).

[ND72]

I just get a kick out of all the posts, blogs, and chats. Repeatedly in all the Packer practice write ups have been written that Bishop is making big hits, it doesn't say anywhere that he's actually making tackles, but it does point out that he can't cover at all, which tells me he is NOT a MLB in a 3-4.

It then says Chillar is all over the field knocking down passes, making tackles down field....but can't plug a hole, pass rush, or stop the run.

I know I like Hawk, and I've never made excuses about him....but I have yet to read anything negative from any media people about Hawk. He has made tackles, plugged holes, knocked down passes.

Now I'm sure he's gotten burned here and there, but so has Aaron Kampman...where are his critics? I don't care if he's playing a new position, fair is fair. He's gotten beat for 7, 20+ yard passes to TE's, that scares me...but nobody has cared to mention him getting pulled...weird.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think our LBs are bad. They look good when the DL plays well. They don't look good when the DL plays poorly. Pretty much like most teams. Are any of them elite? No. However, we have several solid starting caliber LBs. Personally, I think LBs are a lot like RBs on offense. A lot of their success depends on players around them. I'd rather have a good DL or secondary before having a good LB group. I'd rather have a good QB, OL, or receivers before having a good RB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Now I'm sure he's gotten burned here and there, but so has Aaron Kampman...where are his critics? I don't care if he's playing a new position, fair is fair. He's gotten beat for 7, 20+ yard passes to TE's, that scares me...but nobody has cared to mention him getting pulled...weird.

No plenty of people have written him off also. Of course, he's "reportedly" been wreaking havoc in run defense and on blitzes. We'll see. I like our LBs, and we may have even enough depth to compensate if Barnett doesn't come back healthy.

[ThunderDan]

I don't think our LBs are bad. They look good when the DL plays well. They don't look good when the DL plays poorly. Pretty much like most teams. Are any of them elite? No. However, we have several solid starting caliber LBs. Personally, I think LBs are a lot like RBs on offense. A lot of their success depends on players around them. I'd rather have a good DL or secondary before having a good LB group. I'd rather have a good QB, OL, or receivers before having a good RB.

Here, here .... good post.

It's amazing how good a LBing core becomes when you put a good/great DL in front of them.

When it takes 5 OL to push the front 3 DL in a 3-4 out the LB are going to have huge numbers.

[bobblehead]

I just get a kick out of all the posts, blogs, and chats. Repeatedly in all the Packer practice write ups have been written that Bishop is making big hits, it doesn't say anywhere that he's actually making tackles, but it does point out that he can't cover at all, which tells me he is NOT a MLB in a 3-4.

It then says Chillar is all over the field knocking down passes, making tackles down field....but can't plug a hole, pass rush, or stop the run.

I know I like Hawk, and I've never made excuses about him....but I have yet to read anything negative from any media people about Hawk. He has made tackles, plugged holes, knocked down passes.

Now I'm sure he's gotten burned here and there, but so has Aaron Kampman...where are his critics? I don't care if he's playing a new position, fair is fair. He's gotten beat for 7, 20+ yard passes to TE's, that scares me...but nobody has cared to mention him getting pulled...weird.

Actually wist has been on the "kamp can't play LB" bandwagon since the switch to the 3-4 has begun.

[pbmax]

One point on Chillar and the Rams. The defense while Chillar was there was horrible. So he might have been the best choice of terrible run defense options. In his four years there the defense ranked (Pts/Yds)

04: 25 / 17
05: 31 / 30
06: 28 / 23
07: 31 / 21

For rushing defense in particular:

Attempts / Yards / TDs / Yds/Att
04: 23 / 29 / 17 / 25
05: 20 / 28 / 30 / 32
06: 24 / 31 / 32 / 30
07: 16 / 20 / 27 / 19

That's not so good.

[pbmax]

The Cleft Crusty post game chat has always been a fan favorite. It's certainly much much more entertaining than 99% of the comedy bits out there people get paid to write (Norm Chad's image leaps at me like vomit from a sick retarded kid's mouth).

Cleft is in a class by himself. There is no better post game chat around. But lets not slag Norman Chad while praising Cleft. I find Norm quite enjoyable.

[Patler]

When they start telling us that Bishop is cutting down on the overpursuit and is looking good in coverage, or that Chillar isn't letting any backs through anywhere on the field, and is being physical in the hole, I'll start listening to this nonsense.

In the morning session, linebackers Jeremy Thompson and Desmond Bishop almost had interceptions. Thompson jumped up at the line of scrimmage and got two hands on a Brian Brohm pass, but couldn't bring it in. Bishop was downfield in coverage and cut nicely in front of the receiver on an underthrown ball, but he couldn't secure the knee-high pass.

Well, its something at least!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brian Brohm was throwing it. I wonder who the receiver was.

[Patler]

Brian Brohm was throwing it. I wonder who the receiver was.

Brohm threw Thompson's "almost" INT; not clear who threw Bishop's.

[gbgary]

How about a Cleft Crusty Chat on the home page. Sure to draw in at least 1 or 2 new hits/year.

brilliant!

[SkinBasket]

The Cleft Crusty post game chat has always been a fan favorite. It's certainly much much more entertaining than 99% of the comedy bits out there people get paid to write (Norm Chad's image leaps at me like vomit from a sick retarded kid's mouth).

Cleft is in a class by himself. There is no better post game chat around. But lets not slag Norman Chad while praising Cleft. I find Norm quite enjoyable.

I've just never been a Chad fan. Even for me, he feels far too contrived. But humor is a highly subjective thing. I think what Crusty brings to this forum could be sold for good money to media outlets. It's about as clever and witty as humor gets in my opinion.

[Bretsky]

And only Bretsky and Skin note we haven't played a down of real football yet.

Hell, we haven't played a down of fake football yet.

I'm a little confused as to how Hawk has somehow become a punching bag over the off season. I don't remember anywhere near this level of criticism at the end of the season. You know, the season where he played injured the entire year and was filling a position he was unfamiliar with for a third of it? The same season we lost our starting DE in front of him and had a revolving door at safety behind him.

But whatever. Bishop must be a superior player because he hits people hard in preseason and TC, then generally looks like his brain's been addled when called upon in the regular season. And Chillar has proven what a reliable player he is every time he steps on the field and makes it look like he's taken coverage lessons from Bigby and plays like he walks at 150 pounds.

Gosh I wonder if the same guys drooling about Bishop were drooling about Jeremy Thompson before the pads came on. Now Thompson doesn't seem to be standing out anymore with pads.

Bishop is good at a couple things but IMO he's not a guy you can count on beaude he's not a complete player and it'd be easy to expose his weaknesses. Remember how teams exposed Brady Poppinga in coverage ? Scary what they'd game plan for Bishop.

Overally I'm luck warm and Bishop and like Chillar as a player more.

If we had three strong LB's Chillar would probably be alright; but I still don't buy the notion that he's better than Hawk.

[BEARMAN]

Just cut Hawk now. He obviously blows. Maybe we can sign Vick to take his spot and run the wildcat defense.

and You call Me a "TROLL" ?