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  • Key to a teams success in any given year

    I think it is
    1) GM
    2) QB
    3) Coach
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  • #2
    I dont think a GM is to blame for a "given year". We loose 7 games by 3 points and are the most penalized team in football, that's coaching.
    Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sheepshead
      We loose 7 games by 3 points and are the most penalized team in football, that's coaching.
      This is a great observation, but what can the coach do if the players can't/won't follow his instructions? Do the players lack talent? Intelligence? Then, the GM is the problem.

      Do the players lack motivation? Then, look to the coaching.

      With the right QB, do lack of talent, intelligence, motivation go away as a game loser? I could envision that scenario, but I don't know enough about it. I know as a captain in Rugby, I could make a massive difference on the field of play in the outcome of the game.

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      • #4
        Coaching. GM's don't set a depth chart, formulate a game plan, run practices, etc. Who and what any given player ends up becoming in this league is a testament to the coaching they've recieved. Good players are produced by good coaching. Good teams are produced by good players. Coaching is most responsible IMO.
        Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tarlam!
          Originally posted by sheepshead
          We loose 7 games by 3 points and are the most penalized team in football, that's coaching.
          This is a great observation, but what can the coach do if the players can't/won't follow his instructions? Do the players lack talent? Intelligence? Then, the GM is the problem.

          Do the players lack motivation? Then, look to the coaching.

          With the right QB, do lack of talent, intelligence, motivation go away as a game loser? I could envision that scenario, but I don't know enough about it. I know as a captain in Rugby, I could make a massive difference on the field of play in the outcome of the game.
          While TT has made mistakes, he hasnt made 53 of them. We had the horses to win last year in my opinion. Over hauling the defensive coaching staff was the right thing to do. I am much more critical of MM than I am of TT at this point. I think he is quietly on the hot seat.
          Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sheepshead
            I dont think a GM is to blame for a "given year". We loose 7 games by 3 points and are the most penalized team in football, that's coaching.
            ya, but the GM still put the roster together in previous years. I guess some people must be interpreting this poll as only accounting for his efforts in that year.

            I don't think its even close, the GM is way more important than anybody else, its his team, everybody else is just a piece on the chess board.

            Whether a coach or QB is second more important is hard to say. I suppose it is the coach in most cases, except teams with shit QBs so infrequently win Super Bowls that you have to wonder.

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            • #7
              If we go 11-5 this year, then what would you say about your theory?

              Signing Duke Preston put us over the top?
              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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              • #8
                ya, I'm seeing now how you look at it: Only consider the moves that a GM makes within a given year, not accumulation of his past efforts as well. I didn't do a good job of setting up the poll. I have brought shame to my ancestors and must kill myself to honor the emperor.

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                • #9
                  It's been said hundreds of times: players win games. A coach can only do so much, but the players have to perform on the field. The general manager chooses these players, so therefore, the GM is by far the key.

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                  • #10
                    Injuries. You can have great coaching, a genius GM and world class QB but if a season like Packers' 2004 one happens and you have to rely on a WR named Taco Wallace, you're screwed.
                    All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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                    • #11
                      a genius GM has reasonable backups in place. I like their depth this year.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        I have brought shame to my ancestors and must kill myself to honor the emperor.
                        Well, I think that's the honorable thing to do. I know the Emperor and he said he'd exonerate you upon death by your own hand. Your ancestors on the other hand, well, there you're screwed. Consider it a technicality.

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                        • #13
                          As long as all three belong in professional football, I'd say luck is the biggest key to a teams success.
                          70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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                          • #14
                            This will be the first year that we have actually had the majority of positions backed up by someone serviceable. Even at QB, Flynn looks like he has the potential, Brohm, I fear his best days are behind him. Lack of depth, lack of viable veteran backups, and the inability to fix the offensive line are the three things that have kept this team from moving forward. I only hope that the defensive showing was not a fluke, it was after all the Browns, who are in a constant rebuilding mode...
                            "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
                            – Benjamin Franklin

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                            • #15
                              How about we go even further up the ladder and suggest ownership is the single most important factor?

                              Exhibit A: Al Davis. Hires himself as GM. Drafts guys like Barelyius Blamewad Hey and overpays them; hires coaches like Lane Kiffin and underpays them while letting the players know he has no real authority.

                              Exhibit B: William Clay Ford. Hired Russ Schmidt, I think the name was, as GM way back when. The guy hired coaches like Darryl Rodgers and Tommy Hudspeth; his greatest hire may have been Wayne Fontes. Then hired Matt Millen as GM. Kept him for about eight years. Total Super Bowl appearances during Ford's tenure as owner, which began in 1964: zero.
                              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                              KYPack

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