Report: Favre is on a plane to Minnesota

[hoosier]

I believe Patler has it right. Play as needed and nothing more, the team goes very far. He has to know that he will not be the "star" on this team. Just the last piece of the puzzle. And I'm pretty confident that his int total at the end of the season will be low due to top D and top running game. Just won't need to throw very much. He may start off slow though do to newness and lack of timing with players. It's the right move for Chilly.

Do you think his actions this summer, or previous history for that matter, suggest that he "knows" this and will "remember" it at all times?

I would assume that if he is not "the guy" on the team, any time he tries to go outside the parameters that he will be guided by team leaders to get back on track. Not Chilly but guys like AP-KW-Winfield. But in the end, it is all a calculated risk no matter how you play this.

It's clear to me that you don't know Brett. Live and learn.

Hoosier, Favre has never had anyone on the team that could make him not the guy. If you think of those I mentioned will be afraid to get in his face, then I don't think you understand interpersonal dynamics.

I'm not thinking about whether or not any of the Vikings you mentioned would be "afraid of getting in his face," I'm thinking of whether or not Brett would feel compelled to listen to them! I'm sure you've read enough about Brett being Brett to know thta he hasn't always considered himself as "one of the guys." What makes you think he will suddenly start bowing to peer pressure?

But now that you mention it, AP sounds like an all-around great guy, but is he a leader? Judging from that report of him deciding to gain 10lbs based on a pool-side conversation at the Pro Bowl I think he sounds more like an impressionable youngster. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him put Brett in his place.

[mngolf19]

I believe Patler has it right. Play as needed and nothing more, the team goes very far. He has to know that he will not be the "star" on this team. Just the last piece of the puzzle. And I'm pretty confident that his int total at the end of the season will be low due to top D and top running game. Just won't need to throw very much. He may start off slow though do to newness and lack of timing with players. It's the right move for Chilly.

Do you think his actions this summer, or previous history for that matter, suggest that he "knows" this and will "remember" it at all times?

I would assume that if he is not "the guy" on the team, any time he tries to go outside the parameters that he will be guided by team leaders to get back on track. Not Chilly but guys like AP-KW-Winfield. But in the end, it is all a calculated risk no matter how you play this.

It's clear to me that you don't know Brett. Live and learn.

Hoosier, Favre has never had anyone on the team that could make him not the guy. If you think of those I mentioned will be afraid to get in his face, then I don't think you understand interpersonal dynamics.

I'm not thinking about whether or not any of the Vikings you mentioned would be "afraid of getting in his face," I'm thinking of whether or not Brett would feel compelled to listen to them! I'm sure you've read enough about Brett being Brett to know thta he hasn't always considered himself as "one of the guys." What makes you think he will suddenly start bowing to peer pressure?

But now that you mention it, AP sounds like an all-around great guy, but is he a leader? Judging from that report of him deciding to gain 10lbs based on a pool-side conversation at the Pro Bowl I think he sounds more like an impressionable youngster. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him put Brett in his place.

Very reasonable.

[hoosier]

minny is ALREADY most talented team in nfc.....

pack and minny will play THREE times this year

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO..........

Do you really think Favre will increase the Vikings chances of success this year? My gut feeling is that this development will not go well for Minnesota, this year or in the future. Favre's talents, or what's left of them, don't mesh particularly well with the offensive talent Minnesota already has in place, which is predominantly run-oriented. Their team would be much more of a threat, IMO, with a QB who knows how to take care of the ball and who doesn't try to do too much. Take their impenetrable run defense, their phenomenal rushing offense and add Favre and what do you get? A monkey wrench in the well oiled machine. In that sense I couldn't be happier to hear that Favre is joining the Vikings. I hope Chilly doesn't wise up and call this experiment off before the regular season starts. By the same token, any hope of Jackson's development are now put on hold for another year, they still won't know what they have in Rosenfelds, and the team loses a bit more confidence in Chilly's good word. All of this is good news.

This sounds more like water cooler or watering hole banter than anything that remotely makes sense! Wishful thinking maybe

Labeling the post "water cooler banter" is itself water cooler banter. If you see a flaw in what I wrote or have a different take on things, feel free to enlighten me.

[Scott Campbell]

But I think my point is still valid even if the execution could have been better.

Your execution couldn't have been any better even if you had put your head in a guillotine.

[Chevelle2]

Hoosier, Favre has never had anyone on the team that could make him not the guy.

Actually you make my point, while correcting me. The only time he did have someone like that, they won.

Try again.

And again.

And again. Although I don't think Sharpe was much of a leader.



Chevelle, do you have anything of consequence to add? You may have more knowledge of the Packers than I do, especially since I'm not a fan. But I think my point is still valid even if the execution could have been better.

I guess it depends on what you mean when you say "the guy"

Are you talking about who is a better player? Or who is a better leader? Or a better media guy etc

[Chevelle2]

Oh, and funny story:

Favre beyond 20 yards last season:

13/57
435 yards
5 scores
10 picks

48.5 Rating

[mngolf19]

But I think my point is still valid even if the execution could have been better.

Your execution couldn't have been any better even if you had put your head in a guillotine.

Sounds like a John McKay quote.

[SkinBasket]

I thought the Vikings had practice at 1:30? Childress had nothing better to do than be Favre's chauffeur? I'm not sure that being Favre's "buddy" is the best way to handle this.

Is Childress going to drive him to the huddle on a cart too?

[Fritz]

For those of you who might've seen the Pee Wee Herman Show (not the one featuring him in a dark movie theater), let me just say this:

"Let the cartoons begin!"

On another thread, Woody mentioned people getting angry about Favre who is, Woody wrote, one of the most respected players in Packer history.

Uh, my respect for the guy is at zero. I think of him now more like Scott's picture of the princess by the carriage.

But I am glad he's playing and has managed the whole affair as he has. I just don't see this working in the Vikings' advantage in the long run, though I expect Favre will have his moments and those moments will provoke the Favre contingent to throw a few "I told you so's" around.

So as a Packer fan, I'm on board with this move.

[Tarlam!]

He sucked when he was here for the last several years, what is there to fear. MM figured out how to hide Brett's deficiencies. I wouldn't think so highly of Chilly and Bevell.

He never sucked "here" in the way you mean it. He had some bad games, maybe a bad 2005, but to say he sucked is simply an exaggeration.

I wholeheartedly agree that M3 figured out a way to contain him for the better part. His age got him, IMHO, in the Giants failure and towards the end of last season.

But, that performance he put on at Lambeau before the Giants failure was incredible.

You mean the game where Grant set the franchise record for rushing yards? The game that Bigby absolutely dominated?

Yeah, the same game that saw him take up the challenge of leading a 14 point deficit after a few played minutes comeback. Or, do you really want to sit back and tell me that he had nothing to do with that? Do you think Grants pat on the ass from #4 had no bearing after his fumbles? Do you think Bigby and the D didn't feed of the offensive leader?

[Chevelle2]

Oh, and funny story:

Favre beyond 20 yards last season:

13/57
435 yards
5 scores
10 picks

48.5 Rating

Here's another

When they are down 16 all the way to if they are up 8 points....Favre's QB rating was 81.

[Chevelle2]

He sucked when he was here for the last several years, what is there to fear. MM figured out how to hide Brett's deficiencies. I wouldn't think so highly of Chilly and Bevell.

He never sucked "here" in the way you mean it. He had some bad games, maybe a bad 2005, but to say he sucked is simply an exaggeration.

I wholeheartedly agree that M3 figured out a way to contain him for the better part. His age got him, IMHO, in the Giants failure and towards the end of last season.

But, that performance he put on at Lambeau before the Giants failure was incredible.

You mean the game where Grant set the franchise record for rushing yards? The game that Bigby absolutely dominated?

Yeah, the same game that saw him take up the challenge of leading a 14 point deficit after a few played minutes comeback. Or, do you really want to sit back and tell me that he had nothing to do with that? Do you think Grants pat on the ass from #4 had no bearing after his fumbles? Do you think Bigby and the D didn't feed of the offensive leader?

He's 2-7 his last 9 playoff games.....

[Scott Campbell]

On another thread, Woody mentioned people getting angry about Favre who is, Woody wrote, one of the most respected players in Packer history.

Uh, my respect for the guy is at zero. I think of him now more like Scott's picture of the princess by the carriage.

Is there a more hated man in the state of Wisconsin?

[mngolf19]

Hoosier, Favre has never had anyone on the team that could make him not the guy.

Actually you make my point, while correcting me. The only time he did have someone like that, they won.

Try again.

And again.

And again. Although I don't think Sharpe was much of a leader.



Chevelle, do you have anything of consequence to add? You may have more knowledge of the Packers than I do, especially since I'm not a fan. But I think my point is still valid even if the execution could have been better.

I guess it depends on what you mean when you say "the guy"

Are you talking about who is a better player? Or who is a better leader? Or a better media guy etc

I'd say not better but who seems to have the most control or influence. Face of the franchise maybe?

[SkinBasket]

On another thread, Woody mentioned people getting angry about Favre who is, Woody wrote, one of the most respected players in Packer history.

Uh, my respect for the guy is at zero. I think of him now more like Scott's picture of the princess by the carriage.

Is there a more hated man in the state of Wisconsin?

Not now that Doyle has announced he's not seeking re-election.