It's Official: Favre is the enemy

[Lurker64]

When Alan Page played the last 3.5 years for the Bears he sure as hell wasn't dead to me.

Now, I'm younger than you, but did Alan Page go through quite the dramatics and histrionics, repeated backtracking, and duplicitousness that Favre did? In large part, what makes it easy to hate Favre now is that, ever since he retired from Green Bay, he's done more or less everything the wrong way.

1) He made a power-play to try to force the Packers to give him what he wanted (including an appearance on Fox News where he nitpicked his General Manager for not giving him everything he wanted), and refused to cooperate until it was absolutely clear that he could not get what he wanted. This is after just a year prior he said he couldn't imagine himself

2) He, in a large part, alienated a Jets locker room, leaving a lot of hard feelings.

3) He retires again in a tearful, ceremony and calculatingly demands a release when the Jets put themselves in a situation where they could not afford to keep him, lying and saying that "he only wanted to keep his options open."

4) He strings the Vikings along all offseason, then decides he isn't going to play football this year at all, immediately doing an about-face as soon as the worst part of the preseason is over (two-a-days and the most meaningless preseason game, he probably won't play until the third preseason game).

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Alan Page didn't do any of this. This isn't like when a guy like Page or Sharper or Hunter Hillenmeyer signs with a division rival, this is egomania, laziness, and duplicitousness run amok. Even if you love the guy because he's your QB, you have to admit that he's done a lot of things since retiring from the Packers that squandered the considerable goodwill he had at that point.

Plus, the more intensely you love someone when they're yours, the more intensely you hate them once they betray you

[pbmax]

PB, we'll have to agree to disagree. In analyzing the situation as the offseason started I saw zero chance with the new regime they'd want him back. The new coach get's a free pass for a year or two. It seems to me, only an idiot would want a 39 yo QB starting the season rather than either draft what you feel is a franchise QB or try and aquire someone you feel can run the offense for 3 or 4 years for you. New coach. New start.

All good points, but that doesn't explain why they wouldn't release him after he first requested it. The difference in our interpretations could be explained if the poison pill language extended to an outright release.

However, the terms were so draconian that simply renegotiating it to returning the seventh round pick doesn't seem connected. But we can't know for certain.

[Partial]

I think its far more about 10 million and the games streak than about sticking it to the Pack? Is it selfish of a player to want a record? Nah. The Pack decided they didn't want him. Get over it. Grow up.

[Bretsky]

I think Favre wants to play and MN is the best fit. I don't think it's about the money........more the records and trying to win another one

The Pack chose to move on; most or all are happy with AROD

I'm happy for Favre and hope he does well.

I want Green Bay to beat MN twice and win the Super Bowl

If Green Bay was eliminatad form the playoffs I'd be find with Favre and the Vikings facing the genius and Brady

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Favre wants to play and MN is the best fit. I don't think it's about the money........more the records and trying to win another one

The Pack chose to move on; most or all are happy with AROD

I'm happy for Favre and hope he does well.

I want Green Bay to beat MN twice and win the Super Bowl

If Green Bay was eliminatad form the playoffs I'd be find with Favre and the Vikings facing the genius and Brady

Just can't go there. You need to live in Minnesota for awhile.

[digitaldean]

I think Favre wants to play and MN is the best fit. I don't think it's about the money........more the records and trying to win another one

The Pack chose to move on; most or all are happy with AROD

I'm happy for Favre and hope he does well.

I want Green Bay to beat MN twice and win the Super Bowl

If Green Bay was eliminatad form the playoffs I'd be find with Favre and the Vikings facing the genius and Brady

Just can't go there. You need to live in Minnesota for awhile.

So Harv and Ras, what is the average Vikings fan take on all this?

[Lurker64]

I think Favre wants to play and MN is the best fit. I don't think it's about the money........more the records and trying to win another one

The Pack chose to move on; most or all are happy with AROD

I'm happy for Favre and hope he does well.

I want Green Bay to beat MN twice and win the Super Bowl

If Green Bay was eliminatad form the playoffs I'd be find with Favre and the Vikings facing the genius and Brady

Just can't go there. You need to live in Minnesota for awhile.

So Harv and Ras, what is the average Vikings fan take on all this?

I'm not going to be able to listen to KFAN until the first whine-line after a Vikings loss, I swear.

[mission]

In case no one knew already, I'm in the "Fuck Favre" camp ... just disgusted with him. Some of you're right about the ex-girlfriend thing, but it's more like finding out what you thought was wifey material actually has herpes and has been spreading them behind your back for years. (Not to mention you're breaking out now ...)

Call me jaded, I'm just seein it how Im seein it.

Can't wait to see that 3-4 defense confuse the hell out of Brent this year. Can't miss TV. Count on it.

[Freak Out]

I'm really just kind of numb to this whole thing right now and it doesn't matter in the least. So he went to the Vikings? We have OUR team and that is all that matters. It makes for a good show which is good for the sport that we love. I root for the Packers to win not for someone else to fail.....unless our playoff spot counts on it .

[BZnDallas]

Favre is not the enemy. The Vikings are the enemy. Does anyone single out AD? Not really. Hate the team, love the individuals.

Hate the team. Hate the individuals that make the team. Hate the fans that root for the team. Hate the local radio broadcasters that call the games for the team. Hate for rivals runs deep, and it extends beyond any individual player.

FAR to much angst

ENTERTAINMENT

I don't feel the same way you do Mobb. It's more than just entertainment to me, and we'll leave it at that.

how DO you feel? that pro sports is more intimate/meaningful than say a denzel movie? HOW is it more relevant than a broadway play or episode of curb your enthusiasm at the end of the day??? impacts your life more significantly??

i'm not quite sure how i feel about all of this right now... like another poster said i'm kinda numb to it all...

but i do have an answer/question for all the posters that say football is just for entertainment value or as mobb has asked more intimate/meaningful than a denzel movie etc...(sorry mobb not trying to single you out)...

i dont ever remember a time when denzels wife came out and asked for support during a very hard time dealing with breast cancer... the packer organization was there as were packer fans, or when the favre family had to deal with the death of family members... again the organization and its fans were there for support... there have been a number of times during his 16 year career in GB that BFs personal life has been played out in public, and every time the fans and organization were 100% behind the favre family

i do realize that with fame sometimes comes unwanted attention during difficult times in ones life... thats just one price to pay... i can understand why someone would say ultimately this is just a game/sport...

but i guess what i'm trying to say is relationships are built while playing sports especially in cities such as GB... and to turn your back on the people that helped support you in your time of need, well, i'll let you finish that thought.........

but thats just one mans opinion

[BZnDallas]

sorry for the larger font size... didnt' mean to do that...

[Tarlam!]

Well, I highly doubt that BF has any hard feelings towards the GBP fans. Maybe towards the organization.

I can't share Mobb's position at all.

At the end of the day, it's BF's call. Or calls.

[alquaal]

Well, I highly doubt that BF has any hard feelings towards the GBP fans. Maybe towards the organization.

I can't share Mobb's position at all.

At the end of the day, it's BF's call. Or calls.

If "her highness favre" is out to hurt the Packers organization then he does not care the least about GBP fans.

I would like to think better of him but the goob has been having some serious truth issues lately.

[Gunakor]

Favre is not the enemy. The Vikings are the enemy. Does anyone single out AD? Not really. Hate the team, love the individuals.

Hate the team. Hate the individuals that make the team. Hate the fans that root for the team. Hate the local radio broadcasters that call the games for the team. Hate for rivals runs deep, and it extends beyond any individual player.

FAR to much angst

ENTERTAINMENT

I don't feel the same way you do Mobb. It's more than just entertainment to me, and we'll leave it at that.

how DO you feel? that pro sports is more intimate/meaningful than say a denzel movie? HOW is it more relevant than a broadway play or episode of curb your enthusiasm at the end of the day??? impacts your life more significantly??

To you it's entertainment. To me it's an investment. To me it's a passion. It's more relevant because I say it is. I choose what is relevant to me, and I choose Packer football over a broadway play or an episode of curb your enthusiasm. I've invested more in Green Bay Packer football, so I take it more seriously. Why the hell do you care?

[superfan]

I think Favre wants to play and MN is the best fit. I don't think it's about the money........more the records and trying to win another one

The Pack chose to move on; most or all are happy with AROD

I'm happy for Favre and hope he does well.

I want Green Bay to beat MN twice and win the Super Bowl

If Green Bay was eliminatad form the playoffs I'd be find with Favre and the Vikings facing the genius and Brady

Just can't go there. You need to live in Minnesota for awhile.

I agree with Bretsky's comments until he gets to rooting for the Favre led Vikes if the Pack is eliminated. I agree with Harvey at that point, you have to live here. Packer fans living in Minnesota will be subjected to Favre related abuse all season, especially if Favre does lead the Vikes deep into the postseason. If that were to happen, if you are a Packer fan, it would be insufferable, whether you are a Favre supporter or not.

I'm not going to be able to listen to KFAN until the first whine-line after a Vikings loss, I swear.

I hear you Lurker, but at the same time, I tend to think the Favre signing will ultimately backfire on the Vikes, so I will gut it out for the next few days. Just to make whine line that much sweeter when it inevitably happens.