Thompson coming up short on top picks

[Lurker64]

It's also important to realize that some drafts are simply bad, either all the way through or at certain "tiers" of players. Hawk may be slightly disappointing, but isn't he less disappointing when you realize that of the rest of the top 15 taken in this draft, only Mario Williams and Haloti Ngata have been resounding successes for the teams that took them? The flop with Harrell is somewhat lessened by the fact that when you look at the 2006 draft, you don't see a lot of names drafted after him that have made more impact than he has, particularly on the defensive line. I mean, is Harrell really a worse pick, as a player who is hurt a lot, but looks good when he plays, than someone like Jarvis Moss (the player the Broncos traded up for since they couldn't get Harrell), who the Broncos were recently shopping for a 7th round pick and got no takers?

[hoosier]

It's also important to realize that some drafts are simply bad, either all the way through or at certain "tiers" of players. Hawk may be slightly disappointing, but isn't he less disappointing when you realize that of the rest of the top 15 taken in this draft, only Mario Williams and Haloti Ngata have been resounding successes for the teams that took them? The flop with Harrell is somewhat lessened by the fact that when you look at the 2006 draft, you don't see a lot of names drafted after him that have made more impact than he has, particularly on the defensive line. I mean, is Harrell really a worse pick, as a player who is hurt a lot, but looks good when he plays, than someone like Jarvis Moss (the player the Broncos traded up for since they couldn't get Harrell), who the Broncos were recently shopping for a 7th round pick and got no takers?

Didn't Jarvis Moss recently walk out of the Broncos TC under the cloud of possible retirement? If that happens, at least the Broncos would get back a portion of his signing bonus. In that case, the Packers definitely got the worse end of the stick.

[Lurker64]

Didn't Jarvis Moss recently walk out of the Broncos TC under the cloud of possible retirement? If that happens, at least the Broncos would get back a portion of his signing bonus. In that case, the Packers definitely got the worse end of the stick.

He did, but he came back. I think he decided to just take the paycheck, even though he's woefully miscast in the Broncos defense and never showed anything in the NFL anyway.

[Pugger]

Isn't the problem with Harrell NOW his back, which he injured in the Packers' weight room?

[Scott Campbell]

A GM's drafting ability shouldn't be graded on his top picks. Everyone knows what a complete crapshoot the process is in the first round. There is so much hype on the wrong attributes that it can be difficult to wade through the BS.

The true value of a GM comes from finding the hidden value in those that others could not see. Sure, it can be classified as luck. But the best GMs find flawed players that match up well with their system and exploit their strengths.

I don't care how we get em - as long as we get em.

[MadtownPacker]

TT should just trade away all 1st, 3rd rounders for 2s and everything else. That is where he earns his money anyways. First round has been shit for him other than Rodgers and he doesnt get credit for that one because he had to pick him.

[Gunakor]

TT should just trade away all 1st, 3rd rounders for 2s and everything else. That is where he earns his money anyways. First round has been shit for him other than Rodgers and he doesnt get credit for that one because he had to pick him.

Don't we get an opportunity to evaluate Raji and Matthews before jumping to this conclusion?

[MadtownPacker]

TT should just trade away all 1st, 3rd rounders for 2s and everything else. That is where he earns his money anyways. First round has been shit for him other than Rodgers and he doesnt get credit for that one because he had to pick him.

Don't we get an opportunity to evaluate Raji and Matthews before jumping to this conclusion?

Well Raji is looking good but the injury curse is already biting Matthews.

[Merlin]

Some of Ron Wolf's early rounders:

Antwan/Antoine/Antuan Edwards

John Michels

Derrick Mayes

Jamaal Reynolds

Robert Ferguson

He seemed to do better early on in his GM career, rather than later....

Therefore, Ron Wolf = Ted Thompson.

Or something.

Draft pick success aside, doesn't winning football games count for anything? Out of the last 3 GM's, Wolfe, Sherman, and Thompson, who has the better winning percent? He can hit on draft picks all day long (and has done a little better than average), but if that doesn't put up W's, then is he little better than a very good scout? Not trying to start anything here, but this comparison can go on all day long and Thompson is well short in the W column.

[Bossman641]

TT should just trade away all 1st, 3rd rounders for 2s and everything else. That is where he earns his money anyways. First round has been shit for him other than Rodgers and he doesnt get credit for that one because he had to pick him.

According to who? Did you forget the outrage how Rodgers was a wasted pick?

[Scott Campbell]

Draft pick success aside, doesn't winning football games count for anything? Out of the last 3 GM's, Wolfe, Sherman, and Thompson, who has the better winning percent? He can hit on draft picks all day long (and has done a little better than average), but if that doesn't put up W's, then is he little better than a very good scout? Not trying to start anything here, but this comparison can go on all day long and Thompson is well short in the W column.

It's a bottom line business, so you can't discount this logic. Time to win some games Ted.

On the bright side, I do like our roster - especially the depth.

[Partial]

All indications from today's practice are Hawk is now a two down player once Barny is back.

[MichiganPackerFan]

One just has to look at tt's record of bringing super bowl wins to the teams he's ran. I mean just look at Seattle's ______ super bowl wins and now all the playoff appearances/super bowl wins he's brought to GB in the 4+ years he's fail....erm... been here.

Seattle went to the Super Bowl mostly with the talent that Thompson brought in. Green Bay was an errant Brett Favre pass from making the Super Bowl.

Really??? Just one Favre pass? I gues you just watched overtime of the championship game. Being such a big Packer fan, and a football fan I would have expected you to watch the whole NFC Championship game of 2007.

Agreed. Favre would have never been in that position if McCarthy hadn't given up on the run.

[Patler]

One just has to look at tt's record of bringing super bowl wins to the teams he's ran. I mean just look at Seattle's ______ super bowl wins and now all the playoff appearances/super bowl wins he's brought to GB in the 4+ years he's fail....erm... been here.

Seattle went to the Super Bowl mostly with the talent that Thompson brought in. Green Bay was an errant Brett Favre pass from making the Super Bowl.

Really??? Just one Favre pass? I gues you just watched overtime of the championship game. Being such a big Packer fan, and a football fan I would have expected you to watch the whole NFC Championship game of 2007.

Agreed. Favre would have never been in that position if McCarthy hadn't given up on the run.

Let me preface my comment by saying I am not overly critical of the interception against the Giants. It wasn't a horribly bad decision, even if there were better options perhaps. It was just somewhat poorly thrown. That happens.

It's easy to make excuses for Favre; however, the decisive interception against the Giants came on 2nd and 8, the decisive interception against the Eagles came on 1st and 10. Hardly desperate situations. That has been one of my criticisms through out Favre's career, and my reply to the arguments of Favre just "trying to make a play". To me it is doubly foolish to make risky throws on early downs. If you are protective of possession, you will have another down, another opportunity. Particularly the interception against the Eagles was foolish; he just threw it up for grabs on 1st and 10. It doesn't matter that better decisions could have been made by the coach earlier in the game. Favre's interceptions was a colossal blunder at that stage of the game, on that down. Against the Giants on 2nd and 8, I would have preferred him trying to make a safer play than a long out route to a receiver that hadn't totally shaken coverage. The chance of a miscue on that is greater than on some of the other available options.

QBs are paid the big bucks to make good decisions and good plays in critical situations. In some of the biggest situations, Favre has often come up short in the decision making part of the equation even when his playmaking ability bails him out, let alone those times when it has not. I guess that's what makes him entertaining.

[ThunderDan]

All indications from today's practice are Hawk is now a two down player once Barny is back.

Where did you get that from???