Denver Post piece on Javon Walker

[Bretsky]

It sounds like Ted Thompson could have communicated his intentions to Walker better IMO; unless his intentions were not to redo the deal until after the contract was over.

Sometimes you need to massage an ego or two to keep them; takes a little bit of customer service skills that maybe TT doesn't wish to have.

Just a few unsubstantiated thoughts on my belief that the Packers failed to adequately communicate with JW.

Nobody really knows that. For all we know, Thompson could have told Walker's agent that the Packers wanted him long-term and were willing to re-work his deal after he proved himself for another year and Walker was too impatient to make it work out.

You are probably right in that TT told his agent that.

IF I were TT, I'd have did some communicating to Javon Walker myself. And I don't know if it happened or not; but that'd be a way of stroking/manipulating his ego that I think athletes take in and thrive on.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You are probably right

Thems fightin' words.

[Bretsky]

You are probably right

Thems fightin' words.

I'm softening you up for fantasy ball. I've already got my catch phrases down. Harvey has been hands down the most effective GM this year and has set himself up to make a run at the playoffs and win a title..etc

You must give me some credit though; when you were sitting at about .500 last year I looked at the rosters and moves and called out your winning streak.

[RashanGary]

I thought Steve Smith had an ACL. It was a very similar tackle to the one Walker went out on.

[Creepy]

Please name the WR who have come back from ACL tears and had great seasons. Broks tore his an never was the same and as faras I know nobody else has come back atthe WR position tostardom after such an injury.

I know other positions have, but they wear leg braces or knee braces while playing. At WR you can't have that stugh around the knee as it wil slow you down. IMHO, Walker has more of a chance to be an average player for the rest of his carreer than he does beingthe same WR in 2004. Getting a 2 may be the best deal TT has made.

[Zool]

I thought Steve Smith had an ACL. It was a very similar tackle to the one Walker went out on.

Broken leg if I remember right.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Please name the WR who have come back from ACL tears and had great seasons. Broks tore his an never was the same and as faras I know nobody else has come back atthe WR position tostardom after such an injury.

I know other positions have, but they wear leg braces or knee braces while playing. At WR you can't have that stugh around the knee as it wil slow you down. IMHO, Walker has more of a chance to be an average player for the rest of his carreer than he does beingthe same WR in 2004. Getting a 2 may be the best deal TT has made.

ACLs are nothing nowadays. A lot of guys come back and say they are stronger. Lee Evans, Steve Smith, Jerry Rice, Joey Galloway, Mark Boerigter, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley have all come back from torn ACLs.

Nowadays most teams have at least a handful of players who have come back from ACL tears. Many of them are WRs, RBs, and CBs. Braylon Edwards will be attempting to come back from a torn ACL that he got in week 13 last year.

[Bretsky]

Please name the WR who have come back from ACL tears and had great seasons. Broks tore his an never was the same and as faras I know nobody else has come back atthe WR position tostardom after such an injury.

I know other positions have, but they wear leg braces or knee braces while playing. At WR you can't have that stugh around the knee as it wil slow you down. IMHO, Walker has more of a chance to be an average player for the rest of his carreer than he does beingthe same WR in 2004. Getting a 2 may be the best deal TT has made.

ACLs are nothing nowadays. A lot of guys come back and say they are stronger. Lee Evans, Steve Smith, Jerry Rice, Joey Galloway, Mark Boerigter, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley have all come back from torn ACLs.

Nowadays most teams have at least a handful of players who have come back from ACL tears. Many of them are WRs, RBs, and CBs. Braylon Edwards will be attempting to come back from a torn ACL that he got in week 13 last year.

Well, to play devil's advocate, it took Lee Evans two seasons to hit full stride as he missed one season at UW and still played through a lot of pain his senior year. Willis McGahee as well.

Wait, Steve Smith and Jerry Rice didn't tear their ACL's, did they ? I thought Smith had a different injury and Jerry Rice as well. But I may be wrong.

Galloway came back nice. The other yahoos on that list haven't accomplished much before or after the injury.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He wasn't talking about coming back the next season.

IMHO, Walker has more of a chance to be an average player for the rest of his carreer than he does beingthe same WR in 2004.

"Following 11 consecutive Pro Bowl, 1,000-yard receiving seasons, Rice missed virtually the entire 1997 NFL season after he sustained a torn ACL in the 49ers' opening game. Rice returned to Pro Bowl form in 1998."

Have read some reports that said Smith torn his ACL and others that said he broke his fibula.

Bobby Engram came back and had a very nice year last year. In fact, he's better now than he was before the injury.

Joey Galloway has come back.

Boerigter may not have amounted to crap, but I haven't heard any reports that he's lost any of his speed.

Evans and McGahee have come back.

Mark Bradley tore his ACL in college, and has come back enough that he ended up being a high draft pick for the Bears.

To say Walker will never be the same is going way too far--especially with how hard Javon works in rehab.

[woodbuck27]

Nice debate fellas.

Styling !

[Zool]

Please name the WR who have come back from ACL tears and had great seasons. Broks tore his an never was the same and as faras I know nobody else has come back atthe WR position tostardom after such an injury.

I know other positions have, but they wear leg braces or knee braces while playing. At WR you can't have that stugh around the knee as it wil slow you down. IMHO, Walker has more of a chance to be an average player for the rest of his carreer than he does beingthe same WR in 2004. Getting a 2 may be the best deal TT has made.

ACLs are nothing nowadays. A lot of guys come back and say they are stronger. Lee Evans, Steve Smith, Jerry Rice, Joey Galloway, Mark Boerigter, Bobby Engram, Mark Bradley have all come back from torn ACLs.

Nowadays most teams have at least a handful of players who have come back from ACL tears. Many of them are WRs, RBs, and CBs. Braylon Edwards will be attempting to come back from a torn ACL that he got in week 13 last year.

Well, to play devil's advocate, it took Lee Evans two seasons to hit full stride as he missed one season at UW and still played through a lot of pain his senior year. Willis McGahee as well.

Wait, Steve Smith and Jerry Rice didn't tear their ACL's, did they ? I thought Smith had a different injury and Jerry Rice as well. But I may be wrong.

Galloway came back nice. The other yahoos on that list haven't accomplished much before or after the injury.

Rice tore his ACL and came back in that same season, only to dislocate his knee cap a couple games later. He came back too soon.

Smith broke his leg.

[Partial]

Please name the WR who have come back from ACL tears and had great seasons. Broks tore his an never was the same and as faras I know nobody else has come back atthe WR position tostardom after such an injury.

I know other positions have, but they wear leg braces or knee braces while playing. At WR you can't have that stugh around the knee as it wil slow you down. IMHO, Walker has more of a chance to be an average player for the rest of his carreer than he does beingthe same WR in 2004. Getting a 2 may be the best deal TT has made.

So I am looking for some statistics on this matter using google. Needless to say, I think this is a question for the one and only and recently name-changed Patler.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Thompson pulled off a great swindle.

2444 yards in 4 seasons is not the production of a great receiver.

Lack of analytic ability and Wonderlic score of 8 hinder learning a new offense and more than one position.

He turns 28 this year. Does he still have 4.4 speed after the injury? How many years can he play?

It is near the time where he no longer has potential but lack of production.

Until otherwise proven he was a one year guy.

[Partial]

Thompson pulled off a great swindle.

2444 yards in 4 seasons is not the production of a great receiver.

Lack of analytic ability and Wonderlic score of 8 hinder learning a new offense and more than one position.

He turns 28 this year. Does he still have 4.4 speed after the injury? How many years can he play?

It is near the time where he no longer has potential but lack of production.

Until otherwise proven he was a one year guy.

Yes but you can slant any stats like that. The kid played what two years college ball after trying to play baseball? He is a straight up baller. It takes a long time to learn the receiver positions. There are very few people who come in and dominate like Randy Moss. As you may recall, it took TO about 3-4 years before he was even considered a good receiver. Now he's one of the best receivers in the game.

Walker is young in football years and will be a player again. I don't buy that crap. GB got robbed.

[Bretsky]

Thompson pulled off a great swindle.

2444 yards in 4 seasons is not the production of a great receiver.

Lack of analytic ability and Wonderlic score of 8 hinder learning a new offense and more than one position.

He turns 28 this year. Does he still have 4.4 speed after the injury? How many years can he play?

It is near the time where he no longer has potential but lack of production.

Until otherwise proven he was a one year guy.

To say TT swindles Denver is nuts; Javon Walker was one of the top 8 WR's hands down in the NFL before injured, and in all probability he will be 100% in the future.

His worth healthy was far more than a #1; his worth currently should have been more than a #2.

ALL of this agreed on this when word first came out that JW might be traded. Everybody in here banked on at least a FIRST round draft pick, and then our homerism allowed many to be content with a #2.

I think it's far more probably that Denver swindled us by only giving up a #2 for one of the best talents in the NFL at WR.