Favre Theory

[Fred's Slacks]

I've heard rumor that he had to do that as it was harder to lure the experienced coaches away from their situations into a team with a brand new coach. After they'd had a chance to see his work, they became a lot easier to find.

I posted on this a while back, bringing it up as a possiblity but no one commented or confirmed.

I was thinking that when MM started he was making around 1 - 1.5 M per season. Capers is making over $2M per as the DC (I could be wrong on these numbers but thats what I remember seeing). Is there any situation out there were a coordinator makes more then the head coach? I was thinking that the extension that MM signed opened the door for him to sign the upper echelon coordinators, since it was no longer an issue to pay the going rate.

Can anyone confirm or refute that theory? I'd like to know cause it seems to make sense to me.

[Administrator]

Now that the "shock" and "disappointment" or "exuberance" has passed (whichever flavor you prefer), I thought I'd weigh in a little bit about how we're going to conduct Brett talk for a while.

I certainly don't want to say we can't talk about him, he's too much a part of Packer history for that. But, having the whole Packer board with various Favre threads isn't productive either. There has to be a happy medium that we can all follow.

So, here goes my first shot at it.

You can talk about Favre all you want, but, don't start a new thread for each and every revelation that you have. I understand you think your new thought is unique, however, it probably isn't. Find the most appropriate thread and put your comment there.

Well said, Numb. Thank you.

[sheepshead]

Favre's an emotional roller coaster. He had enough in '07 in Soldier Field and again in Lambeau against the Giants. Well, as Favre does he got the itch. As he stated. While I am sure he fantasized about any number of teams including the Vikings(he grew up a Cowboys fan too) I dont subscribe to a Brett Favre conspiracy theory. Our pal Brett doesnt have the attention span for such a plan.

[pbmax]

After securing a legal briefing on the new policy and tasking Gallup with determining people's feeling on this matter, I have determined that this post belongs here.

Florio at PFT has Chilly putting Favre on a pitch count for his practices. This would simply be deja vu all over again except Chilly took a mild shot at Mangini's handling of Favre last year, when by the count of Favre-Chilly (Favilly? Chavre?) he had to throw 200 passes on his first day as a Jet.

I don't remember if McCarthy had the same limit on Brett during camp, but I'd be curious if anyone has a link or memory of it.

I was starting to think that part of Favre's game of brinksmanship the last couple of years have been at least in part driven by an instinct of self-preservation over the shoulder injury. But then I remembered the pitch came into existence in Packerland the year Brett had elbow tendonitis in camp. If I recall, he mentioned not throwing at all in the offseason that year.

It raised the legitimate question, how much must someone prepare top last 16 games at peak efficiency? Could a starting left tackle continue to miss camp and play effectively for 16 games? Can a QB do the same given the stress put on their arm?

[gex]

Now that the "shock" and "disappointment" or "exuberance" has passed (whichever flavor you prefer), I thought I'd weigh in a little bit about how we're going to conduct Brett talk for a while.

I certainly don't want to say we can't talk about him, he's too much a part of Packer history for that. But, having the whole Packer board with various Favre threads isn't productive either. There has to be a happy medium that we can all follow.

So, here goes my first shot at it.

You can talk about Favre all you want, but, don't start a new thread for each and every revelation that you have. I understand you think your new thought is unique, however, it probably isn't. Find the most appropriate thread and put your comment there.

Well said, Numb. Thank you.

2nd

[Waldo]

"Brett, when we did an MRI on your arm to look at that nerve you hurt, we discovered that you have a partially torn rotator cuff, you are going to have to get that looked at early in the offseason if you intend to play with us next year."

.....

"Brett's rotator cuff isn't bad, however it has been a long season and it might affect his throwing. Aaron has looked really good and played great last Sunday. The last thing we want right now is for the players to get comfortable with Aaron during games. When the struggles that Brett is most likely going to have occur, we don't want to be faced with a situation where the players ask for a QB change. We don't want a situation where the players faith in the coaching staff can be questioned. And we don't want to bench Brett Favre in his last game as a Packer."

"Tell them he hurt his ankle, we'll sign a street guy to fill in during garbage time until the playoffs. Brett only gets pulled in the playoffs if he is hurt."

[gex]

Chevelle has proven to be nothing more than an anti Favre troll.
Garbage in garbage out

[Chevelle2]

"Brett, when we did an MRI on your arm to look at that nerve you hurt, we discovered that you have a partially torn rotator cuff, you are going to have to get that looked at early in the offseason if you intend to play with us next year."

.....

"Brett's rotator cuff isn't bad, however it has been a long season and it might affect his throwing. Aaron has looked really good and played great last Sunday. The last thing we want right now is for the players to get comfortable with Aaron during games. When the struggles that Brett is most likely going to have occur, we don't want to be faced with a situation where the players ask for a QB change. We don't want a situation where the players faith in the coaching staff can be questioned. And we don't want to bench Brett Favre in his last game as a Packer."

"Tell them he hurt his ankle, we'll sign a street guy to fill in during garbage time until the playoffs. Brett only gets pulled in the playoffs if he is hurt."

So you think Rodgers ankle injury was made up? Thats fine, but how does that relate to favre's shoulder, im confused.

[Chevelle2]

Chevelle has proven to be nothing more than an anti Favre troll.
Garbage in garbage out

If you don't like it, don't read it. I haven't called you any names or done any personal attacks to you, why do you do the same to me?

[gex]

Chevelle has proven to be nothing more than an anti Favre troll.
Garbage in garbage out

If you don't like it, don't read it. I haven't called you any names or done any personal attacks to you, why do you do the same to me?

Only because you appear to thrive on tearing down a former Packer great.
Time after time, thread after thread, post after post
Why not reiterate about how Lofton was a ...., or how bad Chumura was to...., or how much of a Packer person Javon Walker or Kieth Mckenzie were?! Your not doing any good or justice to our pride and tradition with the negativety

[Lurker64]

Only because you appear to thrive on tearing down a former Packer great.

You know what bothers me more than posters tearing down packers former or otherwise, great or otherwise? Posters tearing down each other with unnecesary personal attacks.

While it's actually true that you catch more flies with vinegar than with honey (try it!), can we lay off the "you're a troll" stuff? There's plenty of internet to read that's not anti-Favre stuff on this board.

[Waldo]

"Brett, when we did an MRI on your arm to look at that nerve you hurt, we discovered that you have a partially torn rotator cuff, you are going to have to get that looked at early in the offseason if you intend to play with us next year."

.....

"Brett's rotator cuff isn't bad, however it has been a long season and it might affect his throwing. Aaron has looked really good and played great last Sunday. The last thing we want right now is for the players to get comfortable with Aaron during games. When the struggles that Brett is most likely going to have occur, we don't want to be faced with a situation where the players ask for a QB change. We don't want a situation where the players faith in the coaching staff can be questioned. And we don't want to bench Brett Favre in his last game as a Packer."

"Tell them he hurt his ankle, we'll sign a street guy to fill in during garbage time until the playoffs. Brett only gets pulled in the playoffs if he is hurt."

So you think Rodgers ankle injury was made up? Thats fine, but how does that relate to favre's shoulder, im confused.

They really don't aside from the timing, coming after the same game. Since it happened I've thought that AR's injury was phony.

I'd heard enough rumors of the shoulder injury, and that the Packers knew about it, last offseason shortly after the season (before Brett "retired"). Bedard first mentioned the rotator cuff this spring, and he was the only one saying it. Interesting that he has Packers contacts and not Jets contacts. The bicep thing may have happened last year with the Jets, but the rotator cuff predates that, and there is a darn good chance that the Packers knew about it. While players get a physical after the season, I think that the most likely time of discovery was when his arm got an MRI after the Cowboys game.

[pbmax]

"Brett, when we did an MRI on your arm to look at that nerve you hurt, we discovered that you have a partially torn rotator cuff, you are going to have to get that looked at early in the offseason if you intend to play with us next year."

.....

"Brett's rotator cuff isn't bad, however it has been a long season and it might affect his throwing. Aaron has looked really good and played great last Sunday. The last thing we want right now is for the players to get comfortable with Aaron during games. When the struggles that Brett is most likely going to have occur, we don't want to be faced with a situation where the players ask for a QB change. We don't want a situation where the players faith in the coaching staff can be questioned. And we don't want to bench Brett Favre in his last game as a Packer."

"Tell them he hurt his ankle, we'll sign a street guy to fill in during garbage time until the playoffs. Brett only gets pulled in the playoffs if he is hurt."

So you think Rodgers ankle injury was made up? Thats fine, but how does that relate to favre's shoulder, im confused.

They really don't aside from the timing, coming after the same game. Since it happened I've thought that AR's injury was phony.

I'd heard enough rumors of the shoulder injury, and that the Packers knew about it, last offseason shortly after the season (before Brett "retired"). Bedard first mentioned the rotator cuff this spring, and he was the only one saying it. Interesting that he has Packers contacts and not Jets contacts. The bicep thing may have happened last year with the Jets, but the rotator cuff predates that, and there is a darn good chance that the Packers knew about it. While players get a physical after the season, I think that the most likely time of discovery was when his arm got an MRI after the Cowboys game.

Favre has mentioned several times that he had some pre-existing shoulder trouble, trouble separate from the bicep tendon. The last instance was during the retirement phone conference the Jets setup, but the first I remember was during Jets training camp. From his comments, it was clear he thought he could play through the first injury, but the tendon was causing more trouble.

[hoosier]

Only because you appear to thrive on tearing down a former Packer great.

You know what bothers me more than posters tearing down packers former or otherwise, great or otherwise? Posters tearing down each other with unnecesary personal attacks.

While it's actually true that you catch more flies with vinegar than with honey (try it!), can we lay off the "you're a troll" stuff? There's plenty of internet to read that's not anti-Favre stuff on this board.

If you mean fruit flies I'm with you--given a choice between fresh fruit and my glass of wine or beer they always go for the fermented stuff--but house flies too??

[Scott Campbell]

Only because you appear to thrive on tearing down a former Packer great.

You know what bothers me more than posters tearing down packers former or otherwise, great or otherwise? Posters tearing down each other with unnecesary personal attacks.

While it's actually true that you catch more flies with vinegar than with honey (try it!), can we lay off the "you're a troll" stuff? There's plenty of internet to read that's not anti-Favre stuff on this board.