Rodgers is looking infinitely better

[MichiganPackerFan]

I don't know if someone mentioned this or not I skimmed most of this thread, but I think Aaron Rodgers released the pressure valve that was put in place with the Favre fiasco last summer. I think the fact that Favre blew him off, refused to talk to him in the off season this past year put things in perspective for him. He truly isn't trying to be the next Favre, he has decided to step out of that shadow for good. He acts like he could give two squirts of piss that Favre is camped out in Minnesota. This is his team now, he knows it, and more importantly he is owning it.

I think you're right on, Rodgers couldn't give two shits what Favre thinks. He like almost everyone one the team has moved on. It's a new team and it's Rodger's team. Going to be fun to watch!

It's even more than that, when you see guys like Cutler and Crabtree etc acting like dumbasses without the Favre preasure, you really have to hand it to Rodgers for his leadership and maturity.

That's part of what sold me on him last off season: the maturity level. If he can keep his cool with THAT pressure, a 250 lb linebacker flying at him is nothing!

[Partial]

Both of you should knock this off now. If you want to talk issues, fine, if you want to keep insulting each other do it elsewhere.

I didn't insult anyone. I questioned the validity of his claims, which I deem to be ridiculous.

[KYPack]

The 1996 team had the #1 offense in the league. They had two solid RBs in Bennett and Levens with Freeman, Rison, and Beebe and two great TEs in Jackson and Chmura. They may not have had a Randy Moss, but they didn't lack offensive talent. The defense was also #1 and they had the best return man in the game. Rodgers doesn't have that kind of talent around him--even offensively. The WRs are better, but the RBs and TEs are not.

I don't know what everyone thought was so special about Levens. Grant runs similar to Levens, but with more explosiveness when healthy. At least that's my take on it. Bennett wasn't special in any particular part of his game, he was just better than average at everything. Jackson can't throw a block like Bennett, but their hands out of the backfield are about even. And as Jackson's vision improves he's becoming a much better ball carrier.

I don't know about the TE's. Chewy and Jackson looked like TE's, not WR's. Finley looks like an oversized WR lining up at TE. Neither Chewy nor Jackson were as tough to cover. They made their living as Packers in the RZ. Finley is a threat anywhere on the field. He's someone teams are eventually going to have to start specifically game planning for.
I'm not saying they lacked offensive talent in the 90's, so don't take that away from this. Just because they were the #1 offense THAT year doesn't make them better than our offense this year. Offenses in general are getting better. Ours is no different. In the end it's going to come down to playcalling and execution, but I stand by my assertion that there is more talent on this offense than there was in any given year during Favre's tenure here.

I'd strongly disagree with the bold-ed portion of this post. Keith Jackson was definitely a deep threat and a real bitch to cover in any part of the field. He'd been playing TE since 4th grade and could read D's like a QB. He knew when to sit down and could read a seam route as good as any TE I've ever seen. Chew was an average route runner and receiver, but was a devastating blocker. The combo of the two players was truly complimentary. KJ was great after the catch. Wasn't a safety in the league that wanted to tackle that big boy in the open field.

Lee can't block as good as Chew and Finley doesn't have Keith's experience or skill running routes. Finley is still pretty one dimensional. He has improved, but he's still just beginning to learn how to block.

Jackson was a deep thread before coming to Green Bay. While he was here he was at the end of his career and was no longer a deep threat. Though I agree, for the majority of his career he was definitely a threat from anywhere on the field, I'm only counting the year he spent in the Green and Gold. Chewy made his living in the RZ his entire career. He was never a deep threat.

Finley is getting better at his blocking, but is already a more lethal weapon in the passing game than Chewy ever was or Jackson was as a Packer. He'll continue to improve, but I don't expect he'll ever be considered an elite blocking TE. It's not his game. His game is creating mismatches, beating coverage over the middle, moving the chains and scoring points. And maybe no TE in recent GB history has been better at that than Finley projects to be.

In today's NFL that's much more important than the guy that can throw a mean block but cant get separation in the passing game or can't catch a football. Bubba Franks was an excellent blocking TE, but I'd rather have Finley a hundred times over before I'd want Bubba back. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who feel differently.

Keith Jackson played 2 seasons in GB. (Only 9 games in '95). He was a threat to score anywhere on the field in his last season. He scored the most TD's of his career than season (10) and had a long score from 51 yards. He made the Pro-Bowl and it wasn't for his Red Zone antics alone. I dunno if you watched that season, but KJ was re-vitalized in GB. Holmy used the guy to perfection. Kieth retired after the season, but could have still played a few yeards. He was fast his whole career.

Let's keep arguing.

Nobody is paying any attention to us anyhow

[SkinBasket]

You guys are going way too far imo. Rodgers looks like he could potentially be a pro bowl QB if and only if a lot of things go right.

He's certainly no Vince Young.

This thread isn't about Vince Young, but I think given a fresh start on a talented team, he could do just fine. The Titans would be a good place to start since they have such a good OL, but he needs to just get out of there, sit on the bench for a year as a nobody, then compete for a starting job. I'm still confident that he will be an extremely good player.

If his game is Jenga! then I would agree with you. I think his elite level skillset would translate well.

[Partial]

You guys are going way too far imo. Rodgers looks like he could potentially be a pro bowl QB if and only if a lot of things go right.

He's certainly no Vince Young.

This thread isn't about Vince Young, but I think given a fresh start on a talented team, he could do just fine. The Titans would be a good place to start since they have such a good OL, but he needs to just get out of there, sit on the bench for a year as a nobody, then compete for a starting job. I'm still confident that he will be an extremely good player.

If his game is Jenga! then I would agree with you. I think his elite level skillset would translate well.

I don't see him having the dexterity or more skills to pull off jenga. That game is harder than it looks.

[mraynrand]

Both of you should knock this off now. If you want to talk issues, fine, if you want to keep insulting each other do it elsewhere.

It's pretty clear that one side started with the personal attacks. You make the rules and I'll hold you to them. Partial defended himself. Read the threa and you'll see that for yourself. And, unless you throw people off after they personally attack other posters, we have a right to defend ourselves.

The last I heard, Harlan was making the rules. Apparently, he is up to page 986 of the 'Packerrats Rules for Conduct' guidebook.

[MichiganPackerFan]

If his game is Jenga! then I would agree with you. I think his elite level skillset would translate well.

I don't see him having the dexterity or more skills to pull off jenga. That game is harder than it looks.

It totally is. Played that in a swim-up bar in Jamaica while enjoying my (and a couple other people's) fair share of unlimited booze. I did NOT fair well. I could however get a pint of beer all the way across the pool on a pool float though without spilling a drop. You win some, you lose some I guess.

[SkinBasket]

If his game is Jenga! then I would agree with you. I think his elite level skillset would translate well.

I don't see him having the dexterity or more skills to pull off jenga. That game is harder than it looks.

It totally is.

Believe me I agree. I have thick fingers. But don't underestimate Vince's intimacy with wood.

[sheepshead]

You guys are going way too far imo. Rodgers looks like he could potentially be a pro bowl QB if and only if a lot of things go right. The team is going to need to have a much better record than 6-10 for starters.

Finley looks good and I think he'll be a star, but probably not quite this year. Doing it in PS is a lot different from a real game. We'll see how he looks come regular season. It's unrealistic to think he'll be as good as Jackson. Hopefully he can be a solid asset.

You are an idiot, you really are. How can you do a 180 on ARod after a few possessions in pre-season? The question is, what the hell we're you basing your mediocre assessment of him on over the last few years? Why should anyone read anything you have to say? Are your opinions derived from how guys perform on your video games? Where and how do you come up with your garbage? Maybe you just type shit on here for the sake of typing.

I'm an idiot? Please see the bolded text in your own post. Pwned?

Please explain to me where there is a 180. I would love to hear this.

As for the rest of your post, pure garbage. Please take it elsewhere, bro.

what are you talking about?

Your incoherent dribble is awful, dude. I don't know what you're talking about with the rest. Please address the topic at hand, or stay outta the thread. Better yet, please leave.

I have always been known for my dribble. My crossover move was killer back in the day. Hardaway had nothin' on me.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If only your hate filled speed would relegate you obscurity like hardaway.

[Fritz]

Keith Jackson did NOT look like a tight end. He looked more like an accountant with a creepy yellow jacket.

But he was a heckuva announcer.

Fu-u-u-u-m-m-m-m-b-b-le!

[sheepshead]

If only your hate filled speed would relegate you obscurity like hardaway.

Golly Gee Whiz, we missed you.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If only your hate filled speed would relegate you obscurity like hardaway.

Golly Gee Whiz, we missed you.

Another non youtube link posting, my god, you must be exhausted. Pace yourself.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Rodgers is looking infinitely better

I'm well known as a Rodgers detractor here, but I think he has a chance to be a pretty good, top 1/3rd QB in the league right now. He looks really good this preseason. His footwork and pocket presence look light years better. I believe this is a combination of another year of experience and the new found nastiness of the offensive line.

It's still really early obviously, but I will give credit where credit is due. It's like watching two different players and lines to this point.

Keep it up, A-Rod.

Its preseason, take a pill. or maybe we are now allowed to just ignore your useless ramblings as the product of a fatherless ADD doughboy basement living moron.

But the real point is, it is preseason. He hasnt played against men yet. Hasnt played anyones first team for 60 minutes. So, no, you dont get to cover your ass in August. Stick to your convictions, otherwise--stop taking up space on here and let someone much more interesting and sane contribute.

What are you ? A gangster? A thug? Feeling impotent sheepshead?

Your post is outrageously uncalled for. Way beyond pointless and nasty. Lighten up and act somehow with some decency or find some other vehicle to express your anger.

OK. As I read through this thread to gain some insight that is related to football and the fortunes of having Aaron Rodgers as our QB I see that your getting your deserved criticisms sheepshead. I mean really man. Knock it off and demonstrate some human decency.

Give Partial a break.

[sheepshead]

Re: Rodgers is looking infinitely better

I'm well known as a Rodgers detractor here, but I think he has a chance to be a pretty good, top 1/3rd QB in the league right now. He looks really good this preseason. His footwork and pocket presence look light years better. I believe this is a combination of another year of experience and the new found nastiness of the offensive line.

It's still really early obviously, but I will give credit where credit is due. It's like watching two different players and lines to this point.

Keep it up, A-Rod.

Its preseason, take a pill. or maybe we are now allowed to just ignore your useless ramblings as the product of a fatherless ADD doughboy basement living moron.

But the real point is, it is preseason. He hasnt played against men yet. Hasnt played anyones first team for 60 minutes. So, no, you dont get to cover your ass in August. Stick to your convictions, otherwise--stop taking up space on here and let someone much more interesting and sane contribute.

What are you ? A gangster? A thug? Feeling impotent sheepshead?

Your post is outrageously uncalled for. Way beyond pointless and nasty. Lighten up and act somehow with some decency or find some other vehicle to express your anger.

OK. As I read through this thread to gain some insight that is related to football and the fortunes of having Aaron Rodgers as our QB I see that your getting your deserved criticisms sheepshead. I mean really man. Knock it off and demonstrate some human decency.

Give Partial a break.

Sorry, i dont like bullshit for the sake of bullshit. Keep your lecture to yourself. Its unwelcome and uncalled for.