Vince Young - is the magic gone?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Nope, Young is done. He could kick ass on a Battle of the Network Stars or something like that.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Would you trade him straight up for Brian Brohm? Matt Flynn?

I still want my Gilbert Burger in exchange for Brohm. But I guess if you need to throw in VY too...

[CaptainKickass]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

I'd really enjoy a guy like him who can play as a /slash type player, with starting NFL experience which could actually be used in a regular season game this season.

Hanging on to Brohm means we have a guy on the roster who isn't capable of helping us win on any given Sunday. Hell - I don't think the coaches would even trust him to "pitch in" a little bit. He basically takes up a roster spot without contributing at all this season (barring the loss of 2 QB's).

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

Then maybe an offseason in McCarthy's "QB School" will help the boy mature a bit and be a servicable back up or future trade bait.

It's kinda the same way I feel about Havner, if you can get a guy to do more than 1 thing - then that's a bonus and an edge.


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[Lurker64]

Hanging on to Brohm means we have a guy on the roster who isn't capable of helping us win on any given Sunday.

Though he would allow us to take advantage of the active roster exception for the 3rd QB on every given Sunday, which a player you use could not.

[ThunderDan]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

[Patler]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.

I like the results of the reduced roster that you describe above. I would hate to see expanded rosters and overly-specialized-situation players consuming the roster. I wish there were still players who worked both sides of the ball.

[CaptainKickass]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.

Hell, list him as a TE or RB for all I care, or whatever position gives you the flexibility to use him in such a fashion. And give the "emergency" QB title to him instead of...who was it, Ruvell Martin(?).

It can be done.

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[Patler]

I'd actually be in favor of dumping Brohm and retaining Vince Young as the #3 QB.

Vince Young on the other hand - could be listed as the #3 QB but actually be used for some "wildcat" and various "deception" types of plays right away.

If VY was listed as the 3rd QB and played a snap before the 4th quarter neither Rodgers nor Flynn could play the rest of the game.

That's the problem with the expanding use of specialists. Coaches are having a hard time meeting the 45 man game day limit. You have true specialists in punters, kickers and long snappers; teams often have return men and "special teamers" that they hope never have to play a down on offense or defense; there are pass rushing specialists; and heavy use of 4 WR formations and dime defenses requires extra players at those positions if you feel the need to use the formations even if a regular is injured during the game.

As a result, it becomes difficult to carry 3 QBs on the game day 45 so that they can be used in any manner you want.

Hell, list him as a TE or RB for all I care, or whatever position gives you the flexibility to use him in such a fashion. And give the "emergency" QB title to him instead of...who was it, Ruvell Martin(?).

It can be done.

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It doesn't matter what you call him, its whether you want to use up one of the 45 spots on the game day roster for a guy who plays just a few snaps. You can call all 3 QBs, if you want to, it doesn't matter. It comes down to whether or not he is one of the 45, or occupies the limited role available to the designated emergency QB as a 46th spot.

The easiest would be to list your true backup QB as the emergency QB. If the starter gets hurt, you bring him in and resign yourself to not using those special plays designed for the other QB.

[sharpe1027]

It doesn't matter what you call him, its whether you want to use up one of the 45 spots on the game day roster for a guy who plays just a few snaps. You can call all 3 QBs, if you want to, it doesn't matter. It comes down to whether or not he is one of the 45, or occupies the limited role available to the designated emergency QB as a 46th spot.

The easiest would be to list your true backup QB as the emergency QB. If the starter gets hurt, you bring him in and resign yourself to not using those special plays designed for the other QB.

Why not list your 3rd-string LBer as your first QB and your 3rd-string TE as your backup QB? If you have to play your emergency backup...shucks you can't play those two.

** edit ** Nevermind, I looked up the rule. The NFL puts out a list of "bona fide" QBs that must be counted as QBs.

[Southoftheborder]

While I believe he is a head case, he does have some special skills.

My biggest issue with the trade is the amount of money we would have to pay on his contract. We don't need his salary cap drain this year when we have next year's free agents to extend before the end of the season.

[bobblehead]

What is he...like 6'4" about 250lbs.?? How do you think he would fit in on the 3-4 base package??

[SnakeLH2006]

Topic Reply:

The magic was gone when he went pro and realized his raw talent couldn't trump his bonehead brain.

Snake never liked Vince Young since I lost $300 bucks in Vegas at MGM Grand with my buddy in 2006, during the Rose Bowl. Snake was betting on USC covering the spread (+8).

What a terrible fucking day.... My buddy put $500 on Texas winning by a TD (woulda payed huge...but alas a 3 pt. win for Texas)....

We drank ourselves into oblivion that day 3 years ago. Lots of mixers and shots at the Palms that night. My buddy was so pissed he almost killed a bookie later on....(as he went back to MGM that nite to place more losing bets).

Bottom Line: At least Karma kicked in. Vince Young and Matt Leinhart suck as NFL QB's.

[ThunderDan]

Bump.

[Bretsky]

I will say this; 6-8 game stretch

I'd rather see Vince Young than Graham Cracker Harrell

I have little hope either would succeed though