Packers Cards Live game thread

[VegasPackFan]

Leinart looking to at least impress enough to get a new slew of Sun Devil Coed tail

[pbmax]

Toast: 10 years in the nfl...mediocre is a bit harsh. 2 on SB winning teams.

True, but he had steep learning curve. It wasn't pretty sometimes. And the NFC East was no picnic for corners back then. San Fran made his pay too, but that wasn't exactly unique to Elvis...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

last year finley looked a bust. this year he's keith jackson.

Its something to keep in mind the next time some sock puppet starts to tell you that teams that draft on potential need to consider production more. He is still the definition of raw.

well, that doesn't work on finley, but we get your point. He had production and was raw.

Some of us are old enough to remember the old school way...players didn't get much pt there first year, and weren't expected to...maybe a first.

and, certainly not the qb. TT played it perfectly with arod.

The best metric for success in the NFL out of college is multiple years of starting with production. Finley had production but was only in school two years (maybe 3 with redshirt?-unsure).

This applies to Rodgers as well, who went juco before he got to Cal. He did not have as many starts as typical D1 QB prospects do. Didn't he come out his junior year as well?

As Ty said, T2 and M3 brought the old school sit on the bench and learn approach to bear on Rodgers and this, I think, has largely overcome whatever lack of starting experience he might have had from college.

That is near impossible for most players at good schools. Very few players at Texas, USC, etc. are gonna start more than 2 years.

[VegasPackFan]

I cant help but wonder just how bad AR's injury was last year. He looks amazing this year and I have to think that this may be why it appeared that MM had the handcuffs on him. I think we are seeing something amazing here. Franchises never make the transition from iconic, HF'er QB's smoothly. This is great.

Niners. HOF to HOF.

True, but Young was established already.

Not really. He was terrible in Tampa. 3-16 record, 11 tds-21 ints.

He was playing with nothing. And they had those really gay uni's.

[pbmax]

Inronic or no?

I'm in state, and can't get a television picture as digital has gone out with bad weather. So I am now watching the AZ feed on broadband....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I cant help but wonder just how bad AR's injury was last year. He looks amazing this year and I have to think that this may be why it appeared that MM had the handcuffs on him. I think we are seeing something amazing here. Franchises never make the transition from iconic, HF'er QB's smoothly. This is great.

Niners. HOF to HOF.

True, but Young was established already.

Not really. He was terrible in Tampa. 3-16 record, 11 tds-21 ints.

He was playing with nothing. And they had those really gay uni's.

Ah, excuses.

Just admit he wasn't established...whatever the reason.

[falco]

Even our backups play with a swagger.

[VegasPackFan]

I cant help but wonder just how bad AR's injury was last year. He looks amazing this year and I have to think that this may be why it appeared that MM had the handcuffs on him. I think we are seeing something amazing here. Franchises never make the transition from iconic, HF'er QB's smoothly. This is great.

Niners. HOF to HOF.

True, but Young was established already.

Not really. He was terrible in Tampa. 3-16 record, 11 tds-21 ints.

He was playing with nothing. And they had those really gay uni's.

Ah, excuses.

Just admit he wasn't established...whatever the reason.

He certainly was established as a very good talent who got stuck on a bad NFL team. Did he play in the USFL before that?

[pbmax]

last year finley looked a bust. this year he's keith jackson.

Its something to keep in mind the next time some sock puppet starts to tell you that teams that draft on potential need to consider production more. He is still the definition of raw.

well, that doesn't work on finley, but we get your point. He had production and was raw.

Some of us are old enough to remember the old school way...players didn't get much pt there first year, and weren't expected to...maybe a first.

and, certainly not the qb. TT played it perfectly with arod.

The best metric for success in the NFL out of college is multiple years of starting with production. Finley had production but was only in school two years (maybe 3 with redshirt?-unsure).

This applies to Rodgers as well, who went juco before he got to Cal. He did not have as many starts as typical D1 QB prospects do. Didn't he come out his junior year as well?

As Ty said, T2 and M3 brought the old school sit on the bench and learn approach to bear on Rodgers and this, I think, has largely overcome whatever lack of starting experience he might have had from college.

That is near impossible for most players at good schools. Very few players at Texas, USC, etc. are gonna start more than 2 years.

Absolutely, which is why scouts and GMs must make do with imperfect information from about pick 15 on.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Folks, pay attention to Leinart.

Not saying Brohm will improve, but there is another lesson to be learned.

[VegasPackFan]

Does Capers wear a toupee? He has The Donald hair!

[pittstang5]

AH!!! Two Fumbles and we can't get one. Let's GO!!!

[denverYooper]

Does Capers wear a toupee? He has The Donald hair!

[pbmax]

Can't the punters hold?

They don't know which one will make it.

[VegasPackFan]

YAY for the Cards. Celebrate and get excited while your first team just got smoked for a half.