Packers Cards Live game thread

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is pathetic. 38-10 lead and 2nd and 3rd and 4th dtring can't keep the lead.

We are playing our 3rd string qb against leinart.

Winning isn't the goal.

You just want to argue. I enjoy winning whether it counts or not. Plus, i;m frustrated that they gave up 28 unanswered points. Preseason or no preseason...it's unacceptable.

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How can you enjoy winning when it doesn't mean anything?

Acceptable? Why? The team's goals are to evaluate players, to work in schemes, get acclimated..that is what preseason is about. You need to change your focus.

And, they won.

Ok...maybe dissappointed instead of unacceptable. But anyway - Why can't you just accept that I like winning. What do you care? It's my opinion and I hate to lose. So sorry that I offended you with my own personal view.

I can accept it, but it is pretty hard to understand when we are talking preseason.

Enough seasons have past to show that preseason means nothing.

I just can't fathom how you can take a game seriously when players on both sides that are in the game, making plays won't even be on the rosters when camp breaks.

It is like taking WWE seriously.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is pathetic. 38-10 lead and 2nd and 3rd and 4th dtring can't keep the lead.

We are playing our 3rd string qb against leinart.

Winning isn't the goal.

You just want to argue. I enjoy winning whether it counts or not. Plus, i;m frustrated that they gave up 28 unanswered points. Preseason or no preseason...it's unacceptable.

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How can you enjoy winning when it doesn't mean anything?

Acceptable? Why? The team's goals are to evaluate players, to work in schemes, get acclimated..that is what preseason is about. You need to change your focus.

And, they won.

It depends on what you consider "mean anything". When players perform well, you usually win so it does mean something.
Also, if the ultimate goal is the super bowl, wouldn't every game won by the 31 other teams be meaningless?

Players that won't be on the squad?

The preseason isn't about winning, not for good clubs. It is about other things. For bad clubs it can be..or about instilling a winning mindset.

There is no correlation between winning in the preseason and regular season. The Lions last year were 4-0 in the preseason.

Pats were 0-4 last year.

Preseason games in regards to winning mean nothing.

[pittstang5]

This is pathetic. 38-10 lead and 2nd and 3rd and 4th dtring can't keep the lead.

We are playing our 3rd string qb against leinart.

Winning isn't the goal.

You just want to argue. I enjoy winning whether it counts or not. Plus, i;m frustrated that they gave up 28 unanswered points. Preseason or no preseason...it's unacceptable.

Edit...oops - 27

How can you enjoy winning when it doesn't mean anything?

Acceptable? Why? The team's goals are to evaluate players, to work in schemes, get acclimated..that is what preseason is about. You need to change your focus.

And, they won.

Ok...maybe dissappointed instead of unacceptable. But anyway - Why can't you just accept that I like winning. What do you care? It's my opinion and I hate to lose. So sorry that I offended you with my own personal view.

I can accept it, but it is pretty hard to understand when we are talking preseason.

Enough seasons have past to show that preseason means nothing.

I just can't fathom how you can take a game seriously when players on both sides that are in the game, making plays won't even be on the rosters when camp breaks.

It is like taking WWE seriously.

Whatever. Obviously you have your view and I have mine. I like to win. It feels good. No sense arguing about it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

[quote="Scott Campbell"]Will Ty make it to the opener?[/quote

Against the Bears? Not a chance.

Will be at the Cards game though.

[digitaldean]

Overall, I'm fairly stoked about how the 1st team played.

Crosby's miss was the only downer in the first half. 2nd half miss also was pretty weak.

Amazed at how sloppy AZ quarterbacks were with the football tonight. Warner has a history of it, but man, he and Leinart put it on the ground too much.

Finley is looking like a nice weapon to have come Week 1. The right side of the O-line was OK, but not great tonight.

Sutton looked good, but could have helped his cause more by staying behind Johnson on the 2 pt try. He would have made it easily.

Brohm looked better until the delay of game and sack on the last meaningful drive he had.

Rodgers had impeccable timing tonight. Between his scramble to set up the first TD and the long bomb to Nelson, he was picture perfect.

Let's hope this carries over to Week 1.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is pathetic. 38-10 lead and 2nd and 3rd and 4th dtring can't keep the lead.

We are playing our 3rd string qb against leinart.

Winning isn't the goal.

You just want to argue. I enjoy winning whether it counts or not. Plus, i;m frustrated that they gave up 28 unanswered points. Preseason or no preseason...it's unacceptable.

Edit...oops - 27

How can you enjoy winning when it doesn't mean anything?

Acceptable? Why? The team's goals are to evaluate players, to work in schemes, get acclimated..that is what preseason is about. You need to change your focus.

And, they won.

Ok...maybe dissappointed instead of unacceptable. But anyway - Why can't you just accept that I like winning. What do you care? It's my opinion and I hate to lose. So sorry that I offended you with my own personal view.

I can accept it, but it is pretty hard to understand when we are talking preseason.

Enough seasons have past to show that preseason means nothing.

I just can't fathom how you can take a game seriously when players on both sides that are in the game, making plays won't even be on the rosters when camp breaks.

It is like taking WWE seriously.

Whatever. Obviously you have your view and I have mine. I like to win. It feels good. No sense arguing about it.

Of course. You are welcome to your view. My point is that your view is going to leave you unnecessarily disappointed for no reason.

The big picture is what is all about. If the pack loses but implement plays, learn about personnel, etc...and that leads to a winning season then that is what really is important.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Overall, I'm fairly stoked about how the 1st team played.

Crosby's miss was the only downer in the first half. 2nd half miss also was pretty weak.

Amazed at how sloppy AZ quarterbacks were with the football tonight. Warner has a history of it, but man, he and Leinart put it on the ground too much.

Finley is looking like a nice weapon to have come Week 1. The right side of the O-line was OK, but not great tonight.

Sutton looked good, but could have helped his cause more by staying behind Johnson on the 2 pt try. He would have made it easily.

Brohm looked better until the delay of game and sack on the last meaningful drive he had.

Rodgers had impeccable timing tonight. Between his scramble to set up the first TD and the long bomb to Nelson, he was picture perfect.

Let's hope this carries over to Week 1.

PB made the point about Crosby's holder. Until that is solved, i think we all should reserve judgement on his performance.

I thought leinart played well.

Rest of your eval seems spot on.

[channtheman]

Overall, I'm fairly stoked about how the 1st team played.

Crosby's miss was the only downer in the first half. 2nd half miss also was pretty weak.

Amazed at how sloppy AZ quarterbacks were with the football tonight. Warner has a history of it, but man, he and Leinart put it on the ground too much.

Finley is looking like a nice weapon to have come Week 1. The right side of the O-line was OK, but not great tonight.

Sutton looked good, but could have helped his cause more by staying behind Johnson on the 2 pt try. He would have made it easily.

Brohm looked better until the delay of game and sack on the last meaningful drive he had.

Rodgers had impeccable timing tonight. Between his scramble to set up the first TD and the long bomb to Nelson, he was picture perfect.

Let's hope this carries over to Week 1.

The only thing Rodgers did wrong was on the first long pass he arced his pass way too much. Driver had beat DRC easily if the pass was on a line leading Driver further to the middle of the field. It is hard to complain about anything when Rodgers played how he did, but that is one thing I noticed. Not sure if you would have been able to see that from the TV. Much easier to see at the game though.

[Iron Mike]

Much easier to see at the game though.

Why would you want to go to the game when you can hang out with Oshkosh peeps in the 'Dale???

http://www.mabelmurphysaz.com/Home.html

[HowardRoark]

Will Ty make it to the opener?

He was given the last roster spot for the pre-season, time will tell if the coaches put him on waivers or not before the opener.

[pbmax]

Amazed at how sloppy AZ quarterbacks were with the football tonight. Warner has a history of it, but man, he and Leinart put it on the ground too much.

Kurt Warner has had problems before with ball security. He isn't the biggest guy at QB and I wouldn't be shocked if his hands were on the smaller side. He also has had hand injuries before.

Leinart looks much more focused, of course, our 2s and 3s weren't resisting as much as you would like.

[vince]

There is no correlation between winning in the preseason and regular season.
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Preseason games in regards to winning mean nothing.

Actually, there is a strong correlation between winning in the preseason and winning in the regular season - notwithstanding the anomoly of last year's Lions.

http://www.twominutewarning.com/doespreseasonmatter.htm

[Tyrone Bigguns]

There is no correlation between winning in the preseason and regular season.
...
Preseason games in regards to winning mean nothing.

Actually, there is a strong correlation between winning in the preseason and winning in the regular season - notwithstanding the anomoly of last year's Lions.
http://www.twominutewarning.com/doespreseasonmatter.htm

Did you actually read what you posted. Using the term strong. LOL

In the past four years, 7.2 wins for a zero win preseason, 7.4 for 1 win pre, 8.5 for 2, 7.7 or 3, 8 for 4.

So, i guess we want to split for the preseason. LOL

they have data for 11 years...that is a pretty small subset.

Even for that the spread on avg is 1.7 wins.

Good teams: Again, the most amount of wins the next year was for those that win 2 games in the preseason, and the spread for the avg wins was .8 wins.

More relevant is for teams that that won less than 7..US.

Holy schnikes....teams that win zero preseason avg 6.6 wins in the regular season, while teams that win 4 preseason games win....WAIT FOR IT, WAIT FOR IT...6.2.

Please Pack...don't win again.

This exercise if pretty worthless as they don't even mention the obvious advantage of scheduling...nor do they factor in your division, ie, going 4 and 0 in the preseason and then let's say facing Giants, boys, eagles..or the opposite....0-4 and being in the rams division.

[Partial]

I agree with Ty, if the data he posts is true. That is horrible data for making a case.

[vince]

There is no correlation between winning in the preseason and regular season.
...
Preseason games in regards to winning mean nothing.

Actually, there is a strong correlation between winning in the preseason and winning in the regular season - notwithstanding the anomoly of last year's Lions.
http://www.twominutewarning.com/doespreseasonmatter.htm

Did you actually read what you posted. Using the term strong. LOL

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They have data for 11 years...that is a pretty small subset.

Even for that the spread on avg is 1.7 wins.

This data set for 11 years is for 1408 preseason wins and losses, and 5632 regular season wins and losses. Hardly a small subset. Your 4 year pull is obviously much smaller, yet you use that in an attempt to make a point and then say the larger data set is too small?

With a large data set, where 1 team wins and 1 loses as in this case, the tendency when averaging statistics is for the averages to normalize around the .500 mark. A difference of 2 games in this pool and under this criteria is a significant difference. That's 125 percentage points better in a season in which only 16 game are played. That'd be 20 games over the course of a baseball season, often the difference between first and last place. Over this data range of 11 years, it's 702 more wins for the 4-0 preseason teams. It's significant. Casino owners and oddsmakers make billions on people's lack of understanding of statistical correlations far, far less significant than that.

Teams that win more in the preseason clearly do better in the regular season. That is undeniable. And even if you wnat to debate the subjective term "strong," there is no debating what you meant when you stated matter of factly that there is "no correlation." That is quite simply wrong.