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No doubt in my mind that Bishop could play either inside backer. Not so sure about Chillar.

The coaches do not seem to agree as they have not played either player at Buck.

Off the top of my head, the only guy who will see game time at a position he has not played in camp/exhibition season is Colledge if Clifton gets hurt mid game. Outside chance of Woodson at safety if the bottom falls out health-wise for the safeties.

[Waldo]

I will reiterate again: There is a 0% chance that they cut Chillar. They won't trade him either unless offered a kings ransomn.

I think his contract is up after next year. Bishop's too. They'll pay one. Think of this year as an audition.

Chillar sucks dude.

What does he do that Killswitch doesn't do?

Neither Chillar nor Pops is starting material, both are likely gone after this year.

What do you call a LB that can cover great but isn't any good agaisnt the run?

A strong safety.

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I will reiterate again: There is a 0% chance that they cut Chillar. They won't trade him either unless offered a kings ransomn.

I think his contract is up after next year. Bishop's too. They'll pay one. Think of this year as an audition.

Chillar sucks dude.

What does he do that Killswitch doesn't do?

Prove it. How does he suck? He is excellent in coverage. Coaches are saying he is the best LB on the team, having the best camp of any defensive player, etc. They also said he was the best LB on the team last year.

Typically, I agree with what you say, but this one is just loco given the strong feelings that MM has for Chillar. He is the only linebacker singled out for having such a great camp as far as I know.

Chillar and Bishop are locks unless a trade would bring a kings ransom. While unlikely, it could happen since they have been dynamite in camp.

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No doubt in my mind that Bishop could play either inside backer. Not so sure about Chillar.

The coaches do not seem to agree as they have not played either player at Buck.

Off the top of my head, the only guy who will see game time at a position he has not played in camp/exhibition season is Colledge if Clifton gets hurt mid game. Outside chance of Woodson at safety if the bottom falls out health-wise for the safeties.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Bishop and Chillar on the field at the sametime this PS. Have you? Maybe I'm seeing things.

[Fritz]

Saying stuff like "zero percent chance" and "it's a lock" is the kind of stuff that gets threads bumped...

Danger, Will Robinson. Danger.

[KYPack]

Hey, hold the phone here, boys.

Hawk is the starting Buck LB
Chillar is the Mack

Bishop is Hawk's back-up at Buck
Barnett is Chillar's back-up 'til he gets right.

The 3's at inside backer are Havner at Mack and Lansanha at buck.

Where anybody got Bishop is a Mack is beyond me.

Chillar has played brilliantly at Mack. Yes, he knows all the run fits and is usually there. Sometimes he's made the tackle against the run, but it is a weakness are for him. He has really been perfect in pass D. They move him all over and he has the best grasp of this 3-4 of any of the ILB's so far.

They ain't cutting or trading Chillar. I'm sure Dom & the boys would like to see him fill a little better, but he's their best ILB right now. When Barnett gets healthy, I think he will get his job back.


Bishop is a great fill guy, he still misses some assignments in cover, but he is one great LB prospect and will play a lot more this season.

[Waldo]

Hey, hold the phone here, boys.

Hawk is the starting Buck LB
Chillar is the Mack

Bishop is Hawk's back-up at Buck
Barnett is Chillar's back-up 'til he gets right.

The 3's at inside backer are Havner at Mack and Lansanha at buck.

Where anybody got Bishop is a Mack is beyond me.

Chillar has played brilliantly at Mack. Yes, he knows all the run fits and is usually there. Sometimes he's made the tackle against the run, but it is a weakness are for him. He has really been perfect in pass D. They move him all over and he has the best grasp of this 3-4 of any of the ILB's so far.

They ain't cutting or trading Chillar. I'm sure Dom & the boys would like to see him fill a little better, but he's their best ILB right now. When Barnett gets healthy, I think he will get his job back.


Bishop is a great fill guy, he still misses some assignments in cover, but he is one great LB prospect and will play a lot more this season.

Bishop has not taken one snap at buck in a game, and he hasn't been playing there in camp. By the time Barnett was cleared, shaking up the depth chart, competitive practices were over.

You guys are kidding yourself if you think that Chillar has been our best LB. Maybe in practice, but all I know is what his game tape looks like (I've watched every play many times, over and over in slow mo), and his game tape ain't pretty.

[rbaloha1]

I will reiterate again: There is a 0% chance that they cut Chillar. They won't trade him either unless offered a kings ransomn.

I think his contract is up after next year. Bishop's too. They'll pay one. Think of this year as an audition.

Chillar sucks dude.

What does he do that Killswitch doesn't do?

Prove it. How does he suck? He is excellent in coverage. Coaches are saying he is the best LB on the team, having the best camp of any defensive player, etc. They also said he was the best LB on the team last year.

Typically, I agree with what you say, but this one is just loco given the strong feelings that MM has for Chillar. He is the only linebacker singled out for having such a great camp as far as I know.

Chillar and Bishop are locks unless a trade would bring a kings ransom. While unlikely, it could happen since they have been dynamite in camp.

Agreed. Chillar is playing well and is okay against the run. All the lbs play based on the scheme.

[Fritz]

Hey, hold the phone here, boys.

Hawk is the starting Buck LB
Chillar is the Mack

Bishop is Hawk's back-up at Buck
Barnett is Chillar's back-up 'til he gets right.

The 3's at inside backer are Havner at Mack and Lansanha at buck.

Where anybody got Bishop is a Mack is beyond me.

Chillar has played brilliantly at Mack. Yes, he knows all the run fits and is usually there. Sometimes he's made the tackle against the run, but it is a weakness are for him. He has really been perfect in pass D. They move him all over and he has the best grasp of this 3-4 of any of the ILB's so far.

They ain't cutting or trading Chillar. I'm sure Dom & the boys would like to see him fill a little better, but he's their best ILB right now. When Barnett gets healthy, I think he will get his job back.


Bishop is a great fill guy, he still misses some assignments in cover, but he is one great LB prospect and will play a lot more this season.

Bishop has not taken one snap at buck in a game, and he hasn't been playing there in camp. By the time Barnett was cleared, shaking up the depth chart, competitive practices were over.

You guys are kidding yourself if you think that Chillar has been our best LB. Maybe in practice, but all I know is what his game tape looks like (I've watched every play many times, over and over in slow mo), and his game tape ain't pretty.

Wow. This is like Frazier/Ali. Cool.

[BobDobbs]

Just from watching how the coaches are playing Chillar it has never occurred to me that they will cut him. They've got him and Barnett running in the nickel now and he's been in the mix all camp.

Also, they way they've talked about creating situations to utilize Bishop's skills he's definitely on the team. I've been assuming that Lasagna is gone, but maybe they keep five ILB. Maybe they even keep ten overall if they have some core special teamers as back ups.

There was an interesting quote from Raji in this article:

http://www.jsonline.com/packerinsider/56446587.html

"Coach 'Trgo' let me know we're only going to be traveling five (defensive linemen) this season," said Raji, referring to defensive line coach Mike Trgovac. "I'm going to have to be playing a little bit of both."(DE and NT)

When I first read this I thought that doesn't sound good for either Wynn or Montgomery, they must want to keep 10 LBs. But who knows. It may mean that they keep 6 DL, but will only dress five on game day. [/b]

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Bishop has not taken one snap at buck in a game, and he hasn't been playing there in camp. By the time Barnett was cleared, shaking up the depth chart, competitive practices were over.

You guys are kidding yourself if you think that Chillar has been our best LB. Maybe in practice, but all I know is what his game tape looks like (I've watched every play many times, over and over in slow mo), and his game tape ain't pretty.

Yet the coaches disagree with you. No offense Waldo, you're an alright guy, but I'm going to trust MM over you on this one.

[Lurker64]

Bishop has not taken one snap at buck in a game, and he hasn't been playing there in camp. By the time Barnett was cleared, shaking up the depth chart, competitive practices were over.

You guys are kidding yourself if you think that Chillar has been our best LB. Maybe in practice, but all I know is what his game tape looks like (I've watched every play many times, over and over in slow mo), and his game tape ain't pretty.

Yet the coaches disagree with you. No offense Waldo, you're an alright guy, but I'm going to trust MM over you on this one.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but do the depth charts printed at this time of year actually meaningful? I mean, as I understand it, most coaches resent having to put out preseason depth charts and only do so because it is mandated by the NFL.

Also, isn't "Who MM actually plays" a better indicator of what McCarthy thinks than the depth chart? I mean, if Bishop actually were the #2 buck, he would have taken more snaps there than Lansanah right?

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and thats a fair assessment, but like I said, I sweat I have seen more than my fair share of Bishop and Chillar on the field together. I'm sure we'd have seen even more if Barnett was around.

Bottom line, the inside positions are a lot more similar than what you're making them out to be. Capers isn't some JAG who isn't going to find a way to maximize talent.

Case in point: He played Jenkins at ROLB in the first pre-season game, with Poppinga at RDE the entire time the first team D was on the field.

[Waldo]

and thats a fair assessment, but like I said, I sweat I have seen more than my fair share of Bishop and Chillar on the field together. I'm sure we'd have seen even more if Barnett was around.

Bottom line, the inside positions are a lot more similar than what you're making them out to be. Capers isn't some JAG who isn't going to find a way to maximize talent.

Case in point: He played Jenkins at ROLB in the first pre-season game, with Poppinga at RDE the entire time the first team D was on the field.

When? I have every PS game on tape and have watched them a few times. I never saw it. Against who and what point in the game?

He never played Jenkins at OLB. He may have lined him up like a OLB for a wacky play (that is normal, he has done that with Raji and Jolly too, with Kamp at 3 tech in a 2 pt), but Pops has never played hands down 5 tech, and he has not run that for any more than a single play, definitely not multiples in a row. (Maybe Pops was hands down in GL vs Cle, I saw Jones there with the 2's at GL end on the Wells GL run vs Ari).

Are you actually watching the Packers, or just making this stuff up?

If Chillar was playing so great, why did Barnett immediately get his job back with the 1's?

Edit - I'm rewatching the Browns game right now, not seeing what you're talking about. Pops is at OLB, Jenkins is at 5 tech.

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and thats a fair assessment, but like I said, I sweat I have seen more than my fair share of Bishop and Chillar on the field together. I'm sure we'd have seen even more if Barnett was around.

Bottom line, the inside positions are a lot more similar than what you're making them out to be. Capers isn't some JAG who isn't going to find a way to maximize talent.

Case in point: He played Jenkins at ROLB in the first pre-season game, with Poppinga at RDE the entire time the first team D was on the field.

When? I have every PS game on tape and have watched them a few times. I never saw it. Against who and what point in the game?

He never played Jenkins at OLB. He may have lined him up like a OLB for a wacky play (that is normal, he has done that with Raji and Jolly too, with Kamp at 3 tech in a 2 pt), but Pops has never played hands down 5 tech, and he has not run that for any more than a single play, definitely not multiples in a row. (Maybe Pops was hands down in GL vs Cle, I saw Jones there with the 2's at GL end on the Wells GL run vs Ari).

Are you actually watching the Packers, or just making this stuff up?

If Chillar was playing so great, why did Barnett immediately get his job back with the 1's?

Like I saiad, I'm not positive I've seen them play together but I'm pretty sure I have.

I'm watching Pack, reading articles, etc. Bedard even made reference to Jenkins lining up at ROLB.

Barnett: $$$. Why have they not committed to starting him on opening week if he's good to go?