Jeff Jagodzinski Fired

[Fritz]

I had that sense when he was here. Although the organization always tried to put a good face on it, he seemed to be a quirky, persnickety person. Tough to describe or nail down how so, but his weird hiring at BC, his even weirder departure so he could interview for the Jets' job - was that a mere year later? - and now his dismissal in TB - odd duck, this one.

I knew about his weird departure at BC. What's the story on his hiring there?

Maybe it's not a big story, but he - if I remember correctly - was not the front runner there, and his hiring was rather sudden and surprising. It was whispered that his friendship with the BC AD was a big factor, and though most Eagles fans were pleased, there was kind of a "huh?" factor since Jags was not the front runner.

[Waldo]

Jags was the source for a lot of the "Sherman can't work with others" stories, wasn't he?

So I'm wondering if maybe, when Jags was pointing a finger at Shermy, there were three pointing back at himself.

Jagz was in Atl when Sherman was in GB. MM hired Jagz when he came to GB.

[KYPack]

Jags was the source for a lot of the "Sherman can't work with others" stories, wasn't he?

So I'm wondering if maybe, when Jags was pointing a finger at Shermy, there were three pointing back at himself.

Jagz was in Atl when Sherman was in GB. MM hired Jagz when he came to GB.

No

Shermie sent him to Atlanta from the Packers staff.

Jags was a holdover from Ray Ray's regime in GB in '99.

Rhodes and most of his staff was fired after that season, but Sherman kept Jagodzinski until 2003 when he was released.

Jags went to Atlanta and worked with uber line coach Alex Gibbs.

Then he came back to GB to be OC with MM, who was RR's QB coach in '99

[CaptainKickass]

From here:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090903/PKR01/90903058/1058

Jagodzinski twice was a member of the Green Bay Packers' coaching staff. The West Allis native was tight ends coach on Mike Sherman's staff from 1999 to 2003, then was offensive coordinator on Mike McCarthy's staff in 2006.

[KYPack]

This from PFT,

Confirms my suspicions about Jags nwhen he was here. he was a glorified line coach. MM put in the O & called all the plays. Jags was the 'ZBS guru".

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"Jags" had very little experience calling plays, something that Steve Logan normally did for him at Boston College. (Logan is now in Tampa as a running backs coach and will remain there.) The Bucs reportedly grew concerned that Jagodzinski knew how to install a zone blocking running scheme on the team, but not much else.

"Sometime during training camp, it became increasingly apparent to Bucs officials and players, that Jagodzinski was not equipped to install and direct an NFL offense," writes Rick Stroud.

The team reportedly believed Jagozinski lacked "sophistication" when it came to various aspects of the passing game. Coach Raheem Morris spoke about the decision Thursday.

"Coach Jag came in and I have a lot of respect for him,'' Morris said. "But we're at the point
now where we have to be more precise and we need to be more detailed and we need to have more direction to where we're going to go. And we just didn't have it right now for whatever reason. That's about as detailed as I can get on it.''

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[Tyrone Bigguns]

KY,

When you say "lost them all" you are making a negative implication. Jags didn't lose the GB job, he moved on to a HC position. Nothing strange about that.

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

TB: This one is the only strange one, but prolly can be explained away. Many already feel raheem is over his head, and is only a stopgap hiring..get the cheap guy till the coach they want is ready.

For all we know, raheem felt threatened by jags...could jags take over if i falter kinda thing. Doesn't really matter though....as refusing a demotion isn't going to be hard to explain.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's assesment of his personality, but simply saying that let's not group each of these situations together.

[mraynrand]

Begs question: Who is the coach TB really wants?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Begs question: Who is the coach TB really wants?

Who knows, but there are a couple of "retired" coaches that many want when they are ready to coach again...shanny, holmgren, cowher, etc.

[KYPack]

KY,

When you say "lost them all" you are making a negative implication. Jags didn't lose the GB job, he moved on to a HC position. Nothing strange about that.

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

TB: This one is the only strange one, but prolly can be explained away. Many already feel raheem is over his head, and is only a stopgap hiring..get the cheap guy till the coach they want is ready.

For all we know, raheem felt threatened by jags...could jags take over if i falter kinda thing. Doesn't really matter though....as refusing a demotion isn't going to be hard to explain.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's assesment of his personality, but simply saying that let's not group each of these situations together.

Somewhat guilty as charged, Ty.

ALL isn't fair, there were some special situations.

He WAS shitcanned from some of those jobs.

Tell ya the truth, I'm pissed at Jags. He ws gonna come in here and install the ZBS and jumpcharge our running game. instead of taking 4 yrs, Jags and his magic ZBS beans were gonna have us runnin' in 2.

Then he got his "Deam job' so he split.
Then he left his dream job and took the same gig he had here.
& got fired from it.

i think he's a goofy guy from Mil & I'm glas he's clear of here.

It still took 4 years to build that line, man.

[Fritz]

KY,

When you say "lost them all" you are making a negative implication. Jags didn't lose the GB job, he moved on to a HC position. Nothing strange about that.

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

TB: This one is the only strange one, but prolly can be explained away. Many already feel raheem is over his head, and is only a stopgap hiring..get the cheap guy till the coach they want is ready.

For all we know, raheem felt threatened by jags...could jags take over if i falter kinda thing. Doesn't really matter though....as refusing a demotion isn't going to be hard to explain.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's assesment of his personality, but simply saying that let's not group each of these situations together.

Somewhat guilty as charged, Ty.

ALL isn't fair, there were some special situations.

He WAS shitcanned from some of those jobs.

Tell ya the truth, I'm pissed at Jags. He ws gonna come in here and install the ZBS and jumpcharge our running game. instead of taking 4 yrs, Jags and his magic ZBS beans were gonna have us runnin' in 2.

Then he got his "Deam job' so he split.
Then he left his dream job and took the same gig he had here.
& got fired from it.

i think he's a goofy guy from Mil & I'm glas he's clear of here.

It still took 4 years to build that line, man.

What he said.

[Noodle]

Thanks, KY and Captain, for watching my back. Us Old Timers need to stand up to these whip-smart youngsters every now and then just to show 'em we're still alive and kicking.

Now it's time for my nap, just as soon as I tell those damn kids to get the hell off my yard.

But before I go, this is for Waldo's edification, from an old AP story (and Waldo, please know you have nothing but my respect for the high quality of your posts):

Jeff Jagodzinski coached the tight ends in Green Bay from 1999-2003 before Sherman fired him. Jagodzinski landed on his feet just fine, coaching Atlanta's tight ends a year ago, then being promoted to the Falcons' offensive line coach this off-season.

Jagodzinski said the difference in coaching under Jim Mora Jr. and Sherman is night and day.

"Coaching's fun again. And at the end, it wasn't in Green Bay," said Jagodzinski, a Wisconsin native who attended UW-Whitewater. "In Atlanta, your opinion matters. And the thing is nobody's afraid to make a suggestion. In Green Bay, a lot of guys bite their tongues on a lot of things.

"Right now, everybody's involved in the decision process and your opinion matters. And if you're in an organization, you want to feel that you're a part of it. And when you don't have any decision-making responsibilities or they don't take your suggestions or whatever, that's frustrating."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

KY,

When you say "lost them all" you are making a negative implication. Jags didn't lose the GB job, he moved on to a HC position. Nothing strange about that.

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

TB: This one is the only strange one, but prolly can be explained away. Many already feel raheem is over his head, and is only a stopgap hiring..get the cheap guy till the coach they want is ready.

For all we know, raheem felt threatened by jags...could jags take over if i falter kinda thing. Doesn't really matter though....as refusing a demotion isn't going to be hard to explain.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's assesment of his personality, but simply saying that let's not group each of these situations together.

Somewhat guilty as charged, Ty.

ALL isn't fair, there were some special situations.

He WAS shitcanned from some of those jobs.

Tell ya the truth, I'm pissed at Jags. He ws gonna come in here and install the ZBS and jumpcharge our running game. instead of taking 4 yrs, Jags and his magic ZBS beans were gonna have us runnin' in 2.

Then he got his "Deam job' so he split.
Then he left his dream job and took the same gig he had here.
& got fired from it.

i think he's a goofy guy from Mil & I'm glas he's clear of here.

It still took 4 years to build that line, man.

Only shitcanned from TB.

I paid a lot of attention to BC situation, and it was a bad situation. Remember. winning is what people will look at..and he won big time there.

ZBS: I hear you. That i'm with you 100 percent.

Lastly, using Stroud to back an argument about Jags ability is below you. Stroud is a joke, and he is touting the company line......as he should if he wants access. Think about how many times we criticize our reporters....no way should we be using their beat writers to prove a point.

I'm sorry, but the whole, incompentent..not capable...that just smells fishy.

[mission]

He sounds like a whiney bitch there, Noodle...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He sounds like a whiney bitch there, Noodle...

He isn't talking about MM, he is talking about shermie. I got a feeling he is right about shermie.

[Noodle]

He sounds like a whiney bitch there, Noodle...

That's how it struck me at the time. In my view, you go to a new job and just keep your mouth shut about the old one. So I thought it was odd he would say that, even if true.

Now I'm thinking maybe the reason Shermie didn't listen to him was because he didn't know what the frig he was talking about.