Jeff Jagodzinski Fired

[mission]

He sounds like a whiney bitch there, Noodle...

That's how it struck me at the time. In my view, you go to a new job and just keep your mouth shut about the old one. So I thought it was odd he would say that, even if true.

Now I'm thinking maybe the reason Shermie didn't listen to him was because he didn't know what the frig he was talking about.

Exactly. Do your job. However your employer outlines it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He sounds like a whiney bitch there, Noodle...

That's how it struck me at the time. In my view, you go to a new job and just keep your mouth shut about the old one. So I thought it was odd he would say that, even if true.

Now I'm thinking maybe the reason Shermie didn't listen to him was because he didn't know what the frig he was talking about.

He coached BC to a bowl. Sherman is floundering at Texas A&M.

Not that i'm on the Jags bandwagon, but we rehired him here.

[pbmax]

I don't know. The reporter (regardless of his leanings) clearly is writing from team sources, so we haven't gotten Jags side of the story yet.

Jags does have typical experience compared to Holmgren developed O coordinators. Sherman and Reid were line coaches by trade who moved to TE coaches to learn the West Coast passing game.

Jags had two years at BC as OC and Line coach (previously was RB and Line coach), probably similar to his experience under McCarthy. Then 4 years in a West Coast under Sherman as TE coach. I think his two years in Atlanta were under Mora Jr., who was also running a West Coast offense.

If he didn't know the passing game, then he blew several opportunities. But regardless of that, he resume does look like he has a screw loose.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't know. The reporter (regardless of his leanings) clearly is writing from team sources, so we haven't gotten Jags side of the story yet.

Jags does have typical experience compared to Holmgren developed O coordinators. Sherman and Reid were line coaches by trade who moved to TE coaches to learn the West Coast passing game.

Jags had two years at BC as OC and Line coach (previously was RB and Line coach), probably similar to his experience under McCarthy. Then 4 years in a West Coast under Sherman as TE coach. I think his two years in Atlanta were under Mora Jr., who was also running a West Coast offense.

If he didn't know the passing game, then he blew several opportunities. But regardless of that, he resume does look like he has a screw loose.

I have to agree mostly. But, i don't know about screw. Leaving BC doesn't make him look bad...bad situation and he can say i just wanted to return to the pros.

As for the Bucs, agreed. We are getting one side. Actually, when you list his resume, i think he comes out better than you think. TB looks like morons for hiring a guy who couldn't do the job. If he was that bad why did they hire him...what sort of vetting, refs, etc. And, 1 week before the season. Couldn't install the offense or run it. C'mon. Sounds like something al davis would concoct.

Like i said, i'm not on his bandwagon, have no skin in the game, but this tb thing smells.

[KYPack]

KY,

When you say "lost them all" you are making a negative implication. Jags didn't lose the GB job, he moved on to a HC position. Nothing strange about that.

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

TB: This one is the only strange one, but prolly can be explained away. Many already feel raheem is over his head, and is only a stopgap hiring..get the cheap guy till the coach they want is ready.

For all we know, raheem felt threatened by jags...could jags take over if i falter kinda thing. Doesn't really matter though....as refusing a demotion isn't going to be hard to explain.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's assesment of his personality, but simply saying that let's not group each of these situations together.

Somewhat guilty as charged, Ty.

ALL isn't fair, there were some special situations.

He WAS shitcanned from some of those jobs.

Tell ya the truth, I'm pissed at Jags. He ws gonna come in here and install the ZBS and jumpcharge our running game. instead of taking 4 yrs, Jags and his magic ZBS beans were gonna have us runnin' in 2.

Then he got his "Deam job' so he split.
Then he left his dream job and took the same gig he had here.
& got fired from it.

i think he's a goofy guy from Mil & I'm glas he's clear of here.

It still took 4 years to build that line, man.

Only shitcanned from TB.

I paid a lot of attention to BC situation, and it was a bad situation. Remember. winning is what people will look at..and he won big time there.

ZBS: I hear you. That i'm with you 100 percent.

Lastly, using Stroud to back an argument about Jags ability is below you. Stroud is a joke, and he is touting the company line......as he should if he wants access. Think about how many times we criticize our reporters....no way should we be using their beat writers to prove a point.

I'm sorry, but the whole, incompentent..not capable...that just smells fishy.

I'd say we are about done here, but dept.......

Ty, he did get canned from 3 jobs. GB the 1st time. BC and TB today.

One of my things with the BC gig is I wouldn't leave the BC gig unless I had a top OC job or an NFL HC job IN HAND. I feel his going to interview when being told NO was a lame move & I still do. That BC job is a great place to coach and why he pissed on it the way he did is a big ass mystery to me.

I totally (no shit) have no idea who Stroud is and why my mentioning this guy would be below me, I don't get. There is a lotta shit that is totally below me and I do 'em all the time. I was told my actions at an NFL pre-season game tonite were below me & I was actually proud of what I did. So that won't even stop me.

This a cool, fun thread. If you bastards wanna keep arguing, have at it. I have a boner for Jags and this discussion is a great "venting tool" for me. I'm learning to be more in touch with my emotions and drink more shots, so let's keep it going.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

KY,

When you say "lost them all" you are making a negative implication. Jags didn't lose the GB job, he moved on to a HC position. Nothing strange about that.

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

TB: This one is the only strange one, but prolly can be explained away. Many already feel raheem is over his head, and is only a stopgap hiring..get the cheap guy till the coach they want is ready.

For all we know, raheem felt threatened by jags...could jags take over if i falter kinda thing. Doesn't really matter though....as refusing a demotion isn't going to be hard to explain.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's assesment of his personality, but simply saying that let's not group each of these situations together.

Somewhat guilty as charged, Ty.

ALL isn't fair, there were some special situations.

He WAS shitcanned from some of those jobs.

Tell ya the truth, I'm pissed at Jags. He ws gonna come in here and install the ZBS and jumpcharge our running game. instead of taking 4 yrs, Jags and his magic ZBS beans were gonna have us runnin' in 2.

Then he got his "Deam job' so he split.
Then he left his dream job and took the same gig he had here.
& got fired from it.

i think he's a goofy guy from Mil & I'm glas he's clear of here.

It still took 4 years to build that line, man.

Only shitcanned from TB.

I paid a lot of attention to BC situation, and it was a bad situation. Remember. winning is what people will look at..and he won big time there.

ZBS: I hear you. That i'm with you 100 percent.

Lastly, using Stroud to back an argument about Jags ability is below you. Stroud is a joke, and he is touting the company line......as he should if he wants access. Think about how many times we criticize our reporters....no way should we be using their beat writers to prove a point.

I'm sorry, but the whole, incompentent..not capable...that just smells fishy.

I'd say we are about done here, but dept.......

Ty, he did get canned from 3 jobs. GB the 1st time. BC and TB today.

One of my things with the BC gig is I wouldn't leave the BC gig unless I had a top OC job or an NFL HC job IN HAND. I feel his going to interview when being told NO was a lame move & I still do. That BC job is a great place to coach and why he pissed on it the way he did is a big ass mystery to me.

I totally (no shit) have no idea who Stroud is and why my mentioning this guy would be below me, I don't get. There is a lotta shit that is totally below me and I do 'em all the time. I was told my actions at an NFL pre-season game tonite were below me & I was actually proud of what I did. So that won't even stop me.

This a cool, fun thread. If you bastards wanna keep arguing, have at it. I have a boner for Jags and this discussion is a great "venting tool" for me. I'm learning to be more in touch with my emotions and drink more shots, so let's keep it going.

Canned: I thought you meant last 3.

But, c'mon...coaches are fired all the time. And, again...he wasn't outright fired from tb...he was offered another position, which he refused..and then let go. Big difference. He could have stayed on..and then moved on. We have a similar instance right now with Chan Gailey.

BC...he wasn't fired, he got himself fired. He pushed it because he wanted out. There were differences tween him and the AD about the future and the program. Jags went on the interview knowing he wasn't even a top choice. It is like suicide by cop.

And, it is ridiculous to tell a coach they can't even interview. While i think it is crazy, it pretty much is the standard in coaching.

In fact there were many who speculated that it would be hard to find a coach for BC because of what went down..Defillipo even addressed that issue.

There was something else going on at BC...and i think even you can see that...otherwise, why did O'brien leave for NC State after 10 years at BC? Cmon...you gotta give me a little credit for making that point.

Stroud: because he is a beat writer and is a tool for management. Hell, our beat writers dont' get shit right and you are gonna use him. He was telling only one side of the story.

Look, jags may well be an ass...but, something else is definitely going on. He was OC for us, HC for BC whose offense was high flying under Matt Ryan, he was in place for awhile..and now, one week b4 the season...boom he is a problem....he can't coach. Smells pretty fishy.

[pbmax]

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

Ty, outside of how it ended, what else was going on at BC? The feedback I heard (limited and not connected closely to the situation) was that the best thing that happened with Jags was keeping Matt Ryan. But he clearly had assembled a good defense. Why the hullabaloo?

[Cheesehead Craig]

While he may have been part of some success, given he's had 3 jobs in just over 3.5 years is more a reflection on him than situations where he was at. Amazing how there was always something wrong with where he was working during that time. That's a lot of coincidences he's had lately.

[KYPack]

Well, I give up on the core argument. We've all basically said our piece on this one.

I am pissed at Jags for the reasons indicated in my previous posts. I should say here that Jags is, in fact, a brilliant young coach. How do I know? Well, I don't, per se. I think he is because Alex Gibbs took him in under his wing in Atlanta and taught him all there is to know about his blocking scheme. Gibbs doesn't do that.

There is a hierachy of coaches. There are decent coaches, solid guys, great coaches, and, at the top, the geniuses. What makes a coach a "genius"? They invent shit. They look at the game, spot some areas of opportunity and put in a new way of doing things. They invent a totally new way of playing the game and stick with it thru all kinds of adversity. They stick with it thru times of failure bc they know what they are doing is sound and will enable their team to win. Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Sid Gillman, Fritz Shurmur and Alex Gibbs are such men. If any one of those guys went to a coaching clinic, they were swamped by dozens of fawning coaches, all of 'em trying to suck up just one tidbit of info to help their team. These guys look at problems and create totally new solutions.

Gibbs is such a man and he deemed Jags worthy of his tutelage. Jags took Gibbs plan and learned how to put it in. That has anointed Jags as a fast tracker in the coaching world. Gibbs saw something in the guy and felt he could do the job. Jags has taken Gibbs' blessing and parlayed it into some of the best jobs the coaching world has to offer. And somehow, pissed 'em all away.

That makes me wonder about the boy.

I'm pissed at the boy because he had it all by the balls. A Wisconsin boy who went to Whitewater was the OC of the Green Bay Packers. His buddy was the HC and they shared a vision. I think he should have stayed and helped 'em win and restored the greatness to GB. The OC of a Super Bowl champion gets HC offers. He could've been an NFL HC with a number of offers if he would have finished the dream that him and Mac shared. Hey, maybe he would have taken over as HC of the Packers some day.

Instead, he went on this bizarre odyssey & it makes little sense to me. I'm pissed at him for it. So are other people.

I'm sure it colors my perception of the situation, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Scott Campbell]

Unbelievable.

Down goes Schonert
Posted by Mike Florio on September 4, 2009 11:47 AM ET

They say things happen in threes.

This week, three NFL offensive coordinators have been fired.

A league source tells us that the Bills have dumped offensive coordinator Turk Schonert, ten days before the team's season opener on Monday Night Football against the Patriots.

The move isn't completely shocking, in large part because we've been softened up for it a bit by the abrupt reassignment of Chiefs offensive coordinator Chan Gailey and the sudden dismissal of Bucs offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski.

But the Bills' offense struggled in the preseason, and coach Dick Jauron likely realized that, if he didn't find a way to turn things around quickly, it would be Dick Jauron getting the shoe along with Schonert, and everyone else.

UPDATE: We're told that the new offensive coordinator will be quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

BC: There was a ton of stuff going on there..one of which was BC's commitment to winning. Jags didn't feel they really had it. He could have stayed, but forced their hand.

Ty, outside of how it ended, what else was going on at BC? The feedback I heard (limited and not connected closely to the situation) was that the best thing that happened with Jags was keeping Matt Ryan. But he clearly had assembled a good defense. Why the hullabaloo?

I can't exactly recall, but it was clear that Jags wanted out.

Like i posted, O'brien left after 10 years...to go to NC State...that tells me a ton..cause NC is not a good program, not anywhere as good as what O'brien had built at BC.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

While he may have been part of some success, given he's had 3 jobs in just over 3.5 years is more a reflection on him than situations where he was at. Amazing how there was always something wrong with where he was working during that time. That's a lot of coincidences he's had lately.

3 jobs.

He left us to get a HC. Are you suggesting that should be viewed negatively.

Some guys are just movers..like Larry Brown.

[Guiness]

But the 3 jobs in 3.5 years....

I can't see a team being too keen on offering him a position where they'd want some continuity. A positional coach, maybe, but OC, OL or HC? I don't see it.

Back to the college ranks, in a non top tier program, or QB coach somewhere if you ask me. Not that anyone is!

[Cheesehead Craig]

While he may have been part of some success, given he's had 3 jobs in just over 3.5 years is more a reflection on him than situations where he was at. Amazing how there was always something wrong with where he was working during that time. That's a lot of coincidences he's had lately.

3 jobs.

He left us to get a HC. Are you suggesting that should be viewed negatively.

Some guys are just movers..like Larry Brown.

As soon as he shows the kind of success that Larry's had, then we can start the comparison.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

While he may have been part of some success, given he's had 3 jobs in just over 3.5 years is more a reflection on him than situations where he was at. Amazing how there was always something wrong with where he was working during that time. That's a lot of coincidences he's had lately.

3 jobs.

He left us to get a HC. Are you suggesting that should be viewed negatively.

Some guys are just movers..like Larry Brown.

As soon as he shows the kind of success that Larry's had, then we can start the comparison.

As a head coach at BC..which is the only valid comaparison..he is pretty much the same...1st both years..2 bowl games.