Bedard's Roster

[RashanGary]

Clifton/Colledge/Spitz/Sitton/Barbre
Wells, Giacomini, Dietrich, Lang, Moll

If we keep 10, we keep Moll. If we like a guy at another position better than we like Moll at OL, then I could see going 9. If we go 9, I think Moll and Meredith are on the outside. I was impressed with Wells this preseason. He can start in the NFL right now and be really solid. I'd only trade him if we got a 3rd round pick or a player just as good (with just as good of a contract, at a position of higher need), translation - I don't think I'd trade Wells.

[sharpe1027]

Clifton/Colledge/Spitz/Sitton/Barbre
Wells, Giacomini, Dietrich, Lang, Moll

If we keep 10, we keep Moll. If we like a guy at another position better than we like Moll at OL, then I could see going 9. If we go 9, I think Moll and Meredith are on the outside.

Do you keep a guy that has proven over time that he can't cut it? Or do you take a guy that looks even worse, but hasn't played enough to say for certain he will never be a starter?

Tough decisions.

[RashanGary]

Clifton/Colledge/Spitz/Sitton/Barbre
Wells, Giacomini, Dietrich, Lang, Moll

If we keep 10, we keep Moll. If we like a guy at another position better than we like Moll at OL, then I could see going 9. If we go 9, I think Moll and Meredith are on the outside.

Do you keep a guy that has proven over time that he can't cut it? Or do you take a guy that looks even worse, but hasn't played enough to say for certain he will never be a starter?

Tough decisions.

Yeah. The more I think about it, the more I think it's 9 and keep another player at another position. I don't dislike Moll as much as many here. He only played one season of OL in college, never played it his whole life. He's had some good moments starting in the NFL, and some inconsistent ones. It took Colledge three years to become a good player and he played OL his whole life. I don't know, I'm not convinced he's a bad player but if they like someone better at another position, I'd be OK cutting Moll even though I think he'll be a solid NFL backup or spot starter for a long time.

[sharpe1027]

Yeah. The more I think about it, the more I think it's 9 and keep another player at another position. I don't dislike Moll as much as many here. He only played one season of OL in college, never played it his whole life. He's had some good moments starting in the NFL, and some inconsistent ones. It took Colledge three years to become a good player and he played OL his whole life. I don't know, I'm not convinced he's a bad player but if they like someone better at another position, I'd be OK cutting Moll even though I think he'll be a solid NFL backup or spot starter for a long time.

Colledge had his ups and downs, but you could see an overall progression in his play. I don't think it is a good comparison.

My main problem with Moll is that he seems to have regressed rather than improve. sure he's had lots of experience, but I think that's all the more reason to get rid of him, since it doesn't seem to have made much of a difference. I don't think he has it in him, he is just to damn inconsistent.

[Harlan Huckleby]

TT is shopping Moll, Wells, Peprah, Rouse, and maybe Kuhn,

Who would trade for Peprah or Moll? Rouse has more value to the Packers then another team, Packers are weak at safety.

Maybe Kuhn has some value.

[sharpe1027]

TT is shopping Moll, Wells, Peprah, Rouse, and maybe Kuhn,

Who would trade for Peprah or Moll? Rouse has more value to the Packers then another team, Packers are weak at safety.

Maybe Kuhn has some value.

I guess it can't hurt to try. I bet the Bills would consider Moll a potential upgrade. Their line is terrible.

[Fritz]

[quote="ThunderDan"]

I agree with you that Meredith and Underwood are going to the practice squad. Both looked horrible last nigh and I would not want them on the field in any situation. Maybe a year on the PS gives them the seasoning they need to figure it out.

The problem is you can't assume they'll make the practice squad. If the Thompson/McCarthy think they have starter potential down the road, they'll find a way to protect them. There are teams that aren't deep at those positions and have room to keep a developmental type on the roster.

I'm not sure what other teams think of these guys, but we'll know what Thompson/McCarthy think of them by what he does with the roster.

After last nights game I don't think that will be a problem. If you are a team who drafted a 5th rounder as a project why pick up the Packers 6th and 7th round projects that looked like turds the night before?[/quote]

Because your turds looked worse than the Packers' turds.

Look, some teams, like the Lions (and apparently the Bills?) are just going to suck this year. The Lions have drafted some projects, sure, but guys like Meredith and Underwood might be players in two or three years, and so the Lions can afford to keep them on the 53 man roster. The guys the Lions might keep instead would be retreads or projects with less upside.

You've got to find a way to keep talent, in my opinion. Miami has a darn serviceable tight end now that the Packers tried to keep on the practice squad last year.

Now, I still think that it's risky keeping so many guys not ready to play. Moll, for all his crappiness, will make fewer mistakes than Meredith.

[vince]

There'll be new guys with the same or better potential coming in next year. This shit happens when the team builds itself up like it has. You lose some guys with "potential." I'm pretty confident we're not talking about Jermichael Finley potential here with either Underwood or Meredith.

I also am beginning to think that Clifton may have a couple years left in him. If he continues to play well and stays healthy this season after getting cleaned up everywhere, I'm sticking with Cliffy over Meredith next year. Otherwise, Colledge may well move out and Lang step in anyway. There's questionable room for Meredith even beyond this year - not to mention the possibility of some big horse being drafted early next draft who'd be better anyway.

[HarveyWallbangers]

There'll be new guys with the same or better potential coming in next year. This shit happens when the team builds itself up like it has. You lose some guys with "potential." I'm pretty confident we're not talking about Jermichael Finley potential here with either Underwood or Meredith.

I also am beginning to think that Clifton may have a couple years left in him. If he continues to play well and stays healthy this season after getting cleaned up everywhere, I'm sticking with Cliffy over Meredith next year. Otherwise, Colledge may well move out and Lang step in anyway. There's questionable room for Meredith even beyond this year - not to mention the possibility of some big horse being drafted early next draft who'd be better anyway.

True, but isn't Colledge a FA after this year?

[pack4to84]

Here's my final roster guess:

QB (2): Rodgers, Flynn,
RB (4): Grant, Jackson, Wynn, Sutton
FB (2): Hall, Johnson
WR (5): Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Martin
TE (2): Finley, Lee
OL (10): Clifton, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Barbre, Meredith, Lang, Wells, Giacomini, Dietrich-Smith
DL (6): Jenkins, Pickett, Jolly, Raji, Wynn, Toribio
OLB (5): Kampman, Matthews, Poppinga, Jones, Thompson
ILB (4): Hawk, Barnett, Bishop, Lansanah
S (4): Smith, Collins, Bigby, Bush
CB (6): Harris, Woodson, Williams, Blackmon, Underwood, Lee

LS: Goode
K: Crosby
P: Kapinos

Trades Chillar and kuhn

[vince]

There'll be new guys with the same or better potential coming in next year. This shit happens when the team builds itself up like it has. You lose some guys with "potential." I'm pretty confident we're not talking about Jermichael Finley potential here with either Underwood or Meredith.

I also am beginning to think that Clifton may have a couple years left in him. If he continues to play well and stays healthy this season after getting cleaned up everywhere, I'm sticking with Cliffy over Meredith next year. Otherwise, Colledge may well move out and Lang step in anyway. There's questionable room for Meredith even beyond this year - not to mention the possibility of some big horse being drafted early next draft who'd be better anyway.

True, but isn't Colledge a FA after this year?

Good point. I'm presuming we use some cap space to lock up Colledge and Spitz in the near future. That may not happen though, which would leave some serious holes.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Mike at GBPG had a similar roster to mine, but he predicts that Lee and Underwood (along with Harrell and perhaps Peprah) will get put on IR.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml

If so, that will open up the roster a little bit. Perhaps Sutton or Lumpkin (because of Jackson's injury) and Havner (because of his special teams play) find a way onto the roster then. If Lee and Underwood are put on IR, then I'd have to take Rouse over Lansanah because it would leave the Packers short in the secondary.

Quarterbacks (3)
Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Brian Brohm

Running backs (6)
Ryan Grant, Korey Hall, Brandon Jackson, DeShawn Wynn, Tyrell Sutton, Quinn Johnson

Receivers (5)
Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Ruvell Martin

Tight ends (3)
Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Spencer Havner

Offensive line (9)
Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Scott Wells, Breno Giacomini, T.J. Lang, Jamon Meredith

Defensive line (6)
Johnny Jolly, Ryan Pickett, Cullen Jenkins, B.J. Raji, Jarius Wynn, Michael Montgomery

Linebacker (9)
Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Clay Matthews, Brady Poppinga, Brandon Chillar, Jeremy Thompson, Desmond Bishop, Brad Jones

Defensive back (9)
Charles Woodson, Al Harris, Nick Collins, Atari Bigby, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Anthony Smith, Jarrett Bush, Aaron Rouse

Specialists (3)
Mason Crosby, Jeremy Kapinos, Brett Goode

IR (4)
Justin Harrell, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Brandon Underwood

It looks like battles between Sutton and Lumpkin (RB), Hall and Kuhn (FB), Meredith and Moll (OL), Havner and Lansanah (ST). I see RB and TE being two positions that the Packers will be looking closely elsewhere at cuts.

[KYPack]

Is there a limit to the number of players you can IR?

Underwood has a 2 -4 week injury at the most, do you have to have a relatively severe injury?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is there a limit to the number of players you can IR?

Underwood has a 2 -4 week injury at the most, do you have to have a relatively severe injury?

I'm not sure exactly. I've always thought it's up to the team and player's discretion. I've seen guys with minor injuries put on IR. Some get released later in the year. Underwood and Lee might see the benefit of another year of development while getting their full salary.

[pbmax]

For IR, you just need to be injured at the time of the designation. The problem used to be that teams would stash healthy prospects on that list. Length of injury is not considered. If Meredith had had the good sense to go down in a heap, he could have saved Tony Moll's job.

As for Colledge and FA, making a roster call on just that is tough. If there is no new CBA or extension, the rules in 2010 mean he and the rest of the class will be RFAs. Neither T2 nor any other GM will know this prior to cutdowns.