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    As opening weekend of the 2009 NFL season draws near, the huge story out of Green Bay is the extraordinary quarterback play of Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers lit up the preseason, with QB ratings never before seen in Green Bay, not even under the guidance of QB legend and confirmed prima donna, Brett Favre. What is also true is that Rodgers is about to embark upon a path that will lead him to break the most difficult of all NFL barriers – specifically, to follow immediately after a Hall of Fame quarterback with a second Hall of Fame career. To Cleft Crusty’s knowledge, back-to-back hall of fame quarterback careers within one franchise have been achieved but one time, and that is a special case.

    First, let’s look at the failures. Take for example, four recent HOF inductees who played their entire careers for one team: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Dan Fouts, and John Elway. Each had a long career and each were followed by a QB who was marginal at best, specifically Jay Fielder (QB rating 74.5), Babe Laufenberg (59.3), Quincy Carter (63), and Brian Griese (75.6). Griese bounced back in 2000, posting a102.9 rating in 11 games, but the circumstances are telling – he was in an explosive offense that generated over 2000 yards rushing, and along with 1776 yards from Gus Ferrote, posted over 4,000 passing yards passing. But Griese wasn’t all that durable or effective, bowing out after 11 games in 2000 and reverting to 78.5 and 85 in 2001 and 2002, yielding to Jake Plummer in 2003. The Broncos still haven’t discovered a replacement for Elway. The Cowboys trotted out Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe, before switching to Tony Romo in 2006, and he may not even be the answer, having yet to win a playoff game in two (home) attempts. Since Fouts, San Diego has experienced such quarterbacking delights as Jim McMahon, Billy Joe Tolliver, John Friesz, and Stan Humphries who, even when they were winning games, like in 1994, tended to toss interceptions as frequently as touchdowns. Other hall of fame QBs like Jim Kelly (Collins, Flutie), Fran Tarkenton(Tommy Kramer), Terry Bradshaw(Woodley, Malone), and of course Bart Starr(a real collection of stiffs including Zeke Bratkowski, Don Horn, Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge, and John Hadl), were also followed by duds. To be fair, many of these teams were winding down from several years to decades of success, including the tremendous dynasties in Green Bay, Pittsburgh and San Francisco, so the organizations themselves were in a down cycles.

    There are a couple of notable exceptions. First, Steve Young followed on the heels of Joe Montana, but Young was a seasoned, established starter by the time he took the reigns. With two seasons in the USFL, and seven in the NFL including 19 starts for Tampa Bay and 20 more for San Francisco in relief of Montana, Young was a pretty good bet to succeed, even though he struggled at times, giving way on occasion to prototypical backup Steve Bono (As an aside, Cleft Crusty believes that Bono’s father eschewed the clichéd football in the crib at Steve’s birth in favor of a visor and clipboard). Also, Danny White was a notably effective replacement in Dallas for Roger Staubach and Jeff Garcia put together a few years for San Francisco, but neither will make the Hall of Fame like Young.

    So we come back now to Rodgers, who is a product of GM Ted Thompson’s philosophy that has become clear over the last several years: Get the franchish QB, hire a head coach with QB coaching skills who can instruct him, and let him develop until ready to lead. In his first season, Rodgers’ win loss record was nothing spectacular, but his performance was. Suffering through a painful shoulder injury, he put up (you know the numbers) 4038yards, 28TDs against 13 interceptions and a QB rating of 93.8, engineering some effective come-from-behind drives in several games, only to be let down by missed and blocked field goals, or collapsing defenses. The sky is the limit for Rodgers, and he may well break the precedent that a new QB, with no starting experience, can follow a hall of fame quarterback with a hall of fame career of his own. Given some of the miserable droughts other teams have suffered – like the Arizona Cardinals hoping to replace Jimmy Conzelman, Detoit trying to find their next Bobby Layne, Cleveland their next Otto Graham (apologies to Brian Sipe) and Chicago their Sid Luckman – Packer fans should be thanking the football gods that they likely will not have to suffer through a century long quarterback drought, let alone a drought lasting even one season.

  • #2
    Rodgers a HOFer? We'll see.

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      • #4
        Nice article Cliffy.

        Progression towards a HOF type career requires a couple of things that can't be taken for granted:

        1) He has to continue to get better.
        2) He has to sustain a high level of performance over a long period of time while remaining durable.
        3) He has to have a supporting cast that won't hold him back.


        There are still a lot of things that could trip him up. However, so far, so good.

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        • #5
          I beg to complain:

          Otto Graham->Milt Plum->Frank Ryan->Mike Phipps->Brian Sipe->Paul McDonald-Bernie Kosar

          That looks like Murderer's Row compared to the laundry room attendants they have been running out there since Kosar's bulbous elbow cause Bill Belicheck to release him in order to avoid becoming ill at the sight of the giant lump.
          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pbmax
            I beg to complain:

            Otto Graham->Milt Plum->Frank Ryan->Mike Phipps->Brian Sipe->Paul McDonald-Bernie Kosar

            That looks like Murderer's Row compared to the laundry room attendants they have been running out there since Kosar's bulbous elbow cause Bill Belicheck to release him in order to avoid becoming ill at the sight of the giant lump.
            Cleft Crusty concedes the esteemed career of Milt Plum. Still, Crusty believes Rodgers is on track to make history. Two very good seasons so far and a playoff appearance to boot. Hall of fame QBs are made in the post season. Let's see what this kid has in the second season.

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            • #7
              That is one King Hell post, Cleft.
              Lots of good work in that one.

              What type of oil treatment do you use in that old clunker you drive?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tarlam!
                Rodgers a HOFer? We'll see.

                Believe It !!
                Is it really a halo or
                just a swelled head ?

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                • #9
                  Anyone up to providing a QB genealogy on the Bears since Sid Luckman?
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
                  They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joemailman
                    Anyone up to providing a QB genealogy on the Bears since Sid Luckman?
                    Here is a start....

                    1979: Mike Phipps, Vince Evans, Bob Avellini
                    1980: Phipps, Evans
                    1981: Evans
                    1982: Bob Avellini, Jim McMahon
                    1983: McMahon, Evans
                    1984: McMahon, Avellini, Steve Fuller, Rusty Lisch, Greg Landry
                    1985: McMahon, Steve Fuller
                    1986: McMahon, Mike Tomczak, Steve Fuller, Doug Flutie
                    1987: McMahon, Tomczak
                    1988: McMahon, Tomczak, Jim Harbaugh
                    1989: Tomczak, Harbaugh
                    1990: Harbaugh, Tomczak
                    1991: Harbaugh
                    1992: Harbaugh, Peter Tom Willis, Will Furrer
                    1993: Harbaugh, Willis
                    1994: Erik Kramer, Steve Walsh
                    1995: Kramer
                    1996: Kramer, Dave Kreig
                    1997: Kramer, Rick Mirer
                    1998: Kramer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno
                    1999: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller
                    2000: McNown, Matthews, Miller
                    2001: Miller, Matthews
                    2002: Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris
                    2003: Kordell Stewart, Chandler, Rex Grossman
                    2004: Grossman, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson
                    2005: Kyle Orton, Grossman
                    2006: Grossman
                    2007: Grossman, Brian Griese, Orton
                    2008: Orton, Grossman
                    2009: Cutler
                    After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                    • #11
                      that's a great list, Roark. Didn't they give Jim Miller a pretty big contract after he was their QB for that 13 win flash in the pan season?

                      I remember he also picked himself up an SB ring as NE's 3rd QB.
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                      Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                      • #12
                        I now know why Bearman isn't right in the head.

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                        • #13
                          I always thought both Miller and Kramer got the short ends of the stick there. Did each get injured? I am pretty sure I remember Miller having something serious go wrong.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pbmax
                            I always thought both Miller and Kramer got the short ends of the stick there. Did each get injured? I am pretty sure I remember Miller having something serious go wrong.
                            Yeah Miller had a bunch of bad injuries during his career. I wanna say he tore his achilles in Chi, but I can't remember for sure.

                            FWIW I really like Jim nowadays. He's a regular on Sirius NFL radio. Basically like a laid back version of Jaws. A lot of Sirius listeners tried to get ESPN to pick him up instead of Gruden for Monday Night. I can see him making the jump to TV in the booth pretty soon. I'm pretty sure that he wants to do it, and he's proven himself on the radio.

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                            • #15
                              Was that list of Bear "QBs" of any who played at all, or just ones who started a game in a given season. If it is just starters, what really stands out is that only 5 times in 31 years have the Bears had only 1 QB for a season.
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