ALL the Packer cuts/keeps in this thread

[Lurker64]

Brohm - Don't really have a problem with it but it's definitely a chance for me to take a rare shot at TT. As much as I usually disagree with Bretsky, C.Williams for B.Brohm seems pretty shitty. Too bad we couldn't have got more from this pick.

Well, if it's any consolation, Corey Williams has done almost nothing for the Browns and he's fairly on the outs there.

Also, as disappointing as our #56 and #60 picks were in 2008 (though I still hold out hope for Lee), when you go back and look at who was available there, there's not a lot of names that just jump out at you as players you wish you had picked (notable exception: Steve Slaton, though he was picked almost a full round after Brohm). That just wasn't a particularly outstanding draft in the mid rounds, but we did get Jordy, Sitton, Finley, Thompson, Flynn, Swain, and Giacomini out of it and a most of those guys are starters/key backups/people who are likely to contribute this year, and that's a good thing.

But you know, I keep looking back at that draft trying to figure out how to get the best value out of those last two second rounders, and I just keep scratching my head.

[mission]

Brohm - Don't really have a problem with it but it's definitely a chance for me to take a rare shot at TT. As much as I usually disagree with Bretsky, C.Williams for B.Brohm seems pretty shitty. Too bad we couldn't have got more from this pick.

Well, if it's any consolation, Corey Williams has done almost nothing for the Browns and he's fairly on the outs there.

Also, as disappointing as our #56 and #60 picks were in 2008 (though I still hold out hope for Lee), when you go back and look at who was available there, there's not a lot of names that just jump out at you as players you wish you had picked (notable exception: Steve Slaton, though he was picked almost a full round after Brohm). That just wasn't a particularly outstanding draft in the mid rounds, but we did get Jordy, Sitton, Finley, Thompson, Flynn, Swain, and Giacomini out of it and a most of those guys are starters/key backups/people who are likely to contribute this year, and that's a good thing.

But you know, I keep looking back at that draft trying to figure out how to get the best value out of those last two second rounders, and I just keep scratching my head.

All good points. It's easy to look at draft picks individually and see their genius/stupidity. Stepping back and viewing the entire draft as a whole, and that big contributors can be found anywhere, it almost diminishes the importance of *which* round and more that you have X amount of picks. Hit on the majority... TTs approach.

Was reading on another, less entertaining Pack forum today about this Brohm situation and everyone's screaming how it's so early and just look how long it took AR and all that ... thing with Brohm: he just doesn't have any real physical traits. What was he drafted for? His stats? AR could move, had a relatively strong arm... has anyone EVER said anything positive about Brohm's arm? Mobility? Presence? I just don't recall any of that. Just that he played in a "pro style offense" so he HAD to be ready for the big time. He's slow, his arm sucks, he's not tall, he's quiet... what else do we need to know? This isn't a matter of simply adjusting to the speed of the NFL.

For those reasons, I guess I'm saying, is why I feel TT really fucked up on this pick. All the information was there for him... he drafted a guy purely based on other people saying he was a 1st round QB. I'm assuming he had less personal information on BB since he never expected to be in a position to draft him in the first place ... he dropped, TT felt he had to. Took a shot... almost blindly. The lack of preparation is frustrating.

[Waldo]

For those reasons, I guess I'm saying, is why I feel TT really fucked up on this pick. All the information was there for him... he drafted a guy purely based on other people saying he was a 1st round QB. I'm assuming he had less personal information on BB since he never expected to be in a position to draft him in the first place ... he dropped, TT felt he had to. Took a shot... almost blindly. The lack of preparation is frustrating.

Are you kidding me.

We were one of the teams that scouted Brohm the heaviest. Everybody knew that GB was high on Brohm. Josh Johnson and JDB were the other two we were heavily linked to.

Brohm to GB was a no brainer. 30-50% of mocks had him going to us in the first.

If you believe rumors that have come out after the draft, Brohm was the backup plan if we were unable to get our hands on the one TT really wanted, Flacco. Flacco was the one QB prospect (except for Ryan) that we didn't heavily scout (in public).

[mission]

So then answer the question... what were his tangibles that our scouting department was so high on? Again, all I ever heard about was "NFL-ready offense". Did he have a strong arm? Good size? Big hands? Mobility? Leadership off the field? ... you reference mock drafts ... like I said...

Anyway...

My girl waitresses at a top gentleman's club in Atlanta (Onyx)... she just texted me and said Anthony Smith was up there tonight. Drowning his sorrows and apparently blowing some of that 100k. Maybe we didnt want him afterall...

[Fritz]

Mission, it's fair to say that Thompson missed on Brohm - unless he develops somewhere and comes back to haunt GB. But as of now, you can say that the coaching staff thought that Thompson missed on that pick. Brohm appears to be a bust, a miss.

But to say that Thompson missed because he didn't scout Brohm heavily enough, or that he used second-hand information - well, that's a ridiculous thing to say. You paint a picture of a GM who suddenly has an extra pick on his hands, didn't know what to do, so upon second-hand information blindly picked a QB. That's not how Thompson works, and he's done enough work and has had enough written about how he works, that your statement is patently a foolish one.

At that time there was some discussion, and I think a line or two in a JSO article at draft time, that the Packers considered Chad Henne as well, but passed. I don't know for sure, but I think I saw that at the end of a JSO article on draft weekend in 08. If so, the Packers seem to have made the wrong choice. However, I will say that I was not a big Chad Henne fan myself, having watched the guy for the time he was at the U of Michigan.

[Tarlam!]

Brohm to GB was a no brainer. 30-50% of mocks had him going to us in the first.

Sorry, I don't remember it this way at all. I don't remember ANY mock with GB taking Brohm.

[vince]

all that excitement about getting a 2nd round pick for Cory Williams....ended up being Brohm

It was Brohm and so much more. Ted landed a blockbuster in this deal.

The thought of trading a $38 million (with $16.5 mil guaranteed) for a malcontent back-up unproductive DE for a ham sandwich should make one very happy. Trading that for a young highly regarded QB who doesn't pan but cost nothing by comparison ($2 mil) should make one ecstatic.

What did Ted get? How about an Aaron Rodgers re-up? The saved money then flowed into the Greg Jennings deal... Or how about Daryn Colledge, Mark Spitz, or Nick Collins going into their prime years? Take your pick.

You waste that kind of money on a guy like Corey Williams (or Joe Johnson, or Cletidus Hunt...the thing about history is that most are doomed to repeat it), other things ain't happening - the cumulative results of which mire a team in mediocrity.

Big addition by subtraction. We'll see this year and in the years to come whether the savings prove to be well spent, but I'll go out on a limb and put my money on either of the other guys Ted signed long-term (or will sign) over Corey Williams.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty's thoughts:

1. Sutton. Practice squad player. Showed something, but something isn't enough to make this squad. If he winds up on another team...no biggie. Wynn is better and more reliable as a pass blocker. For some reason fans love players like this...guys like Lumpkin, that really aren't going to ever really matter, especially on good squads.

2. Brohm. Think we made a mistake giving up this early. Hopefully he winds up on our practice squad. Brohm showed Ty enough in the last game that he could become a ty detmer type..and that is good enough for a backup QB.

3. Smith. Whatever. Neither Rouse or Smith impresses ty. Rouse pretty much sucks..and the quicker we find somebody better than either of those two the better.

4. Martin. Ok. He better be a special teams team demon, cause he obviously ain't much a DB as he couldn't beat out Frank Walker, and Walker pretty much blows.

5. Ruvell. Despite much affection for ballhawk who gets ty's tribe humor, ruvell is no great loss. Ty realizes that many have affection for him, like Partial and ballhawk, but again, he ain't good. He barely is gonna get on the field...especially with our 4 good WRs and 2 good TEs. We need better on special teams. While he may wind up on a roster, those of you thinking good things will come are gonna be disappointed. Ruvell is the poor man's Ernest Willford...at least Wilford made some plays. Ruvell has had 5 years to do something..and the best he can do is be a 5th WR. Time to give someone else a shot.

6. Lasanah. Happy as could be. Ty is sick of the lasagna joke and those that keep mispelling his name and thinking it is clever. I'm sorry Danny, but certain posters fucked you over. Ty wishes he could have been in your corner, but Ty can't . Ty hopes you track down those posters and beat the shit out of them.

7. Meredith. Happy to see him go. Jamon, means ham in spanish, and ty couldn't risk posters figuring this one out and the inevitable, "looks like he ate several ham sammie" type jokes.

8. Cyril Obiozor. Had to go. Cyril? Really? WTF was your mom thinking. Maybe you didn't figure it out, but guys named cyril don't play in the NFL, they work at bell labs.

9. Trevor Ford. You played at Troy. Sinead O'connor sang a song called Troy. She was pretty angry, you have to go.

10. Kole Heckendorf. First, Ty hates your name. Kole. You parents tried way too hard, couldn't just go with cole could they. You are a special snowflake. Anyway, kole reminds me of cole trickle and that shitty cruise movie days of thunder. Add in the potential of lame "dorf" jokes and references to the HILARIOUS Tim Conway character Dorf..well, you can plainly see...the risk was too high. Buhbye.

[Lurker64]

Brohm to GB was a no brainer. 30-50% of mocks had him going to us in the first.

Sorry, I don't remember it this way at all. I don't remember ANY mock with GB taking Brohm.

On 4/1/08 Kirwan and Carucci both had Brohm going to us in the first round, we talked about it here. I remember others at various points as well.

[Tarlam!]

Brohm to GB was a no brainer. 30-50% of mocks had him going to us in the first.

Sorry, I don't remember it this way at all. I don't remember ANY mock with GB taking Brohm.

On 4/1/08 Kirwan and Carucci both had Brohm going to us in the first round, we talked about it here. I remember others at various points as well.

Well, I stand corrected. Thank you Lurker64.

[Bretsky]

Brohm - Don't really have a problem with it but it's definitely a chance for me to take a rare shot at TT. As much as I usually disagree with Bretsky, C.Williams for B.Brohm seems pretty shitty. Too bad we couldn't have got more from this pick.

Well, if it's any consolation, Corey Williams has done almost nothing for the Browns and he's fairly on the outs there.

Also, as disappointing as our #56 and #60 picks were in 2008 (though I still hold out hope for Lee), when you go back and look at who was available there, there's not a lot of names that just jump out at you as players you wish you had picked (notable exception: Steve Slaton, though he was picked almost a full round after Brohm). That just wasn't a particularly outstanding draft in the mid rounds, but we did get Jordy, Sitton, Finley, Thompson, Flynn, Swain, and Giacomini out of it and a most of those guys are starters/key backups/people who are likely to contribute this year, and that's a good thing.

But you know, I keep looking back at that draft trying to figure out how to get the best value out of those last two second rounders, and I just keep scratching my head.

Hold on there; perhaps we just chose the wrong QB. Chad Henne has looked decent for the Dolphins

[Bretsky]

all that excitement about getting a 2nd round pick for Cory Williams....ended up being Brohm

It was Brohm and so much more. Ted landed a blockbuster in this deal.

The thought of trading a $38 million (with $16.5 mil guaranteed) for a malcontent back-up unproductive DE for a ham sandwich should make one very happy. Trading that for a young highly regarded QB who doesn't pan but cost nothing by comparison ($2 mil) should make one ecstatic.

What did Ted get? How about an Aaron Rodgers re-up? The saved money then flowed into the Greg Jennings deal... Or how about Daryn Colledge, Mark Spitz, or Nick Collins going into their prime years? Take your pick.

You waste that kind of money on a guy like Corey Williams (or Joe Johnson, or Cletidus Hunt...the thing about history is that most are doomed to repeat it), other things ain't happening - the cumulative results of which mire a team in mediocrity.

Big addition by subtraction. We'll see this year and in the years to come whether the savings prove to be well spent, but I'll go out on a limb and put my money on either of the other guys Ted signed long-term (or will sign) over Corey Williams.

First off I'll admit letting Williams go was the right thing to do so kudos to TT

But the forum was eternally glorifying TT for landing a 2nd; I'm not going to spin it as being positive that we drafted a reject with that pick.

We could have just let Williams go in free agency if that were the case

[Bretsky]

Brohm to GB was a no brainer. 30-50% of mocks had him going to us in the first.

Sorry, I don't remember it this way at all. I don't remember ANY mock with GB taking Brohm.

On 4/1/08 Kirwan and Carucci both had Brohm going to us in the first round, we talked about it here. I remember others at various points as well.

Well, I stand corrected. Thank you Lurker64.

Yes, there were sights predicting Brohm

It would be funny to bump that draft thread. Some were infinitely happy with the Brohm pick and others hated it.

[Fosco33]

Ty's thoughts:

1. Sutton. Practice squad player. Showed something, but something isn't enough to make this squad. If he winds up on another team...no biggie. Wynn is better and more reliable as a pass blocker. For some reason fans love players like this...guys like Lumpkin, that really aren't going to ever really matter, especially on good squads.

2. Brohm. Think we made a mistake giving up this early. Hopefully he winds up on our practice squad. Brohm showed Ty enough in the last game that he could become a ty detmer type..and that is good enough for a backup QB.

3. Smith. Whatever. Neither Rouse or Smith impresses ty. Rouse pretty much sucks..and the quicker we find somebody better than either of those two the better.

4. Martin. Ok. He better be a special teams team demon, cause he obviously ain't much a DB as he couldn't beat out Frank Walker, and Walker pretty much blows.

5. Ruvell. Despite much affection for ballhawk who gets ty's tribe humor, ruvell is no great loss. Ty realizes that many have affection for him, like Partial and ballhawk, but again, he ain't good. He barely is gonna get on the field...especially with our 4 good WRs and 2 good TEs. We need better on special teams. While he may wind up on a roster, those of you thinking good things will come are gonna be disappointed. Ruvell is the poor man's Ernest Willford...at least Wilford made some plays. Ruvell has had 5 years to do something..and the best he can do is be a 5th WR. Time to give someone else a shot.

6. Lasanah. Happy as could be. Ty is sick of the lasagna joke and those that keep mispelling his name and thinking it is clever. I'm sorry Danny, but certain posters fucked you over. Ty wishes he could have been in your corner, but Ty can't . Ty hopes you track down those posters and beat the shit out of them.

7. Meredith. Happy to see him go. Jamon, means ham in spanish, and ty couldn't risk posters figuring this one out and the inevitable, "looks like he ate several ham sammie" type jokes.

8. Cyril Obiozor. Had to go. Cyril? Really? WTF was your mom thinking. Maybe you didn't figure it out, but guys named cyril don't play in the NFL, they work at bell labs.

9. Trevor Ford. You played at Troy. Sinead O'connor sang a song called Troy. She was pretty angry, you have to go.

10. Kole Heckendorf. First, Ty hates your name. Kole. You parents tried way too hard, couldn't just go with cole could they. You are a special snowflake. Anyway, kole reminds me of cole trickle and that shitty cruise movie days of thunder. Add in the potential of lame "dorf" jokes and references to the HILARIOUS Tim Conway character Dorf..well, you can plainly see...the risk was too high. Buhbye.

Good stuff, Ty!

[SkinBasket]

Smith was the biggest surprise I think solely because the position isn't terribly deep and Bigby's been invisible out there - which to his credit is an improvement.

Ruvell was a 5th WR who had more than adequate time to prove he could play a more important role on the team. Apparently he couldn't do that. Time to move on to someone with some potential and a skill other than being tall.

The only thing Brohm ever did consistently was suck ass. There's only so long you can suck ass before someone decides not to pay you anymore.