ALL the Packer cuts/keeps in this thread

[vince]

I'm not going to spin it as being positive..

Instead you ignore the most important components of the deal to spin what is a huge positive into a negative in your unending and admitted bias against Thompson because you for some reason feel some internal need to be the "anti-kool-aid" poster.

Not all draft picks hit. Ted made up for this miss with a 7th round QB hit in the same year.

Could the trade have turned out better? Yeah. Is the deal likely to be a huge win when you factor in all ramifications of it? Yeah.

[CaptainKickass]

letting Williams go was the right thing to do so kudos to TT

Ok...but again, i just really don't understand the fascination with these:

[ThunderDan]

For those reasons, I guess I'm saying, is why I feel TT really fucked up on this pick. All the information was there for him... he drafted a guy purely based on other people saying he was a 1st round QB. I'm assuming he had less personal information on BB since he never expected to be in a position to draft him in the first place ... he dropped, TT felt he had to. Took a shot... almost blindly. The lack of preparation is frustrating.

Are you kidding me.

We were one of the teams that scouted Brohm the heaviest. Everybody knew that GB was high on Brohm. Josh Johnson and JDB were the other two we were heavily linked to.

Brohm to GB was a no brainer. 30-50% of mocks had him going to us in the first.

If you believe rumors that have come out after the draft, Brohm was the backup plan if we were unable to get our hands on the one TT really wanted, Flacco. Flacco was the one QB prospect (except for Ryan) that we didn't heavily scout (in public).

This is exactly why I thought we trade Williams to Cleveland. I thought we were going to package our 1 with the extra 2 to get up in the front half of the draft to get Flacco.

At the time of the draft, AR had never started an NFL game and questions about his durablilty were everywhere. We needed a big college QB or a season vet in case of injury.

[gbgary]

Ty's thoughts:

6. Lasanah. Happy as could be. Ty is sick of the lasagna joke and those that keep mispelling his name and thinking it is clever. I'm sorry Danny, but certain posters fucked you over. Ty wishes he could have been in your corner, but Ty can't . Ty hopes you track down those posters and beat the shit out of them.

7. Meredith. Happy to see him go. Jamon, means ham in spanish, and ty couldn't risk posters figuring this one out and the inevitable, "looks like he ate several ham sammie" type jokes.

8. Cyril Obiozor. Had to go. Cyril? Really? WTF was your mom thinking. Maybe you didn't figure it out, but guys named cyril don't play in the NFL, they work at bell labs.

9. Trevor Ford. You played at Troy. Sinead O'connor sang a song called Troy. She was pretty angry, you have to go.

10. Kole Heckendorf. First, Ty hates your name. Kole. You parents tried way too hard, couldn't just go with cole could they. You are a special snowflake. Anyway, kole reminds me of cole trickle and that shitty cruise movie days of thunder. Add in the potential of lame "dorf" jokes and references to the HILARIOUS Tim Conway character Dorf..well, you can plainly see...the risk was too high. Buhbye.

[retailguy]

I'm not going to spin it as being positive..

Instead you ignore the most important components of the deal to spin what is a huge positive into a negative in your unending and admitted bias against Thompson because you for some reason feel some internal need to be the "anti-kool-aid" poster.

Not all draft picks hit. Ted made up for this miss with a 7th round QB hit in the same year.

Could the trade have turned out better? Yeah. Is the deal likely to be a huge win when you factor in all ramifications of it? Yeah.

He didn't spin anything. Ted traded Williams for a 2nd round pick. The pick was Brohm and was a failure. The financial stuff is accurate, but less important.

Ted is a "build through the draft type of guy" Vince. You got to hit on those high picks when you only use half of the tools at your disposal.

Your cheap shot "spin" remarks about bretsky being "anti-koolaid" and a Ted hater, not only show your arrogance, they show you've been beaten at your own game, and all you have left are insults. Pathetic.

[MJZiggy]

Every year TT brings in a FA or two. Because he doesn't bring in the older, often declining big name you want, he only uses half the tools at his disposal. That's not only inaccurate, but unfair.

[pbmax]

Ty's thoughts:

6. Lasanah. Happy as could be. Ty is sick of the lasagna joke and those that keep mispelling his name and thinking it is clever. I'm sorry Danny, but certain posters fucked you over. Ty wishes he could have been in your corner, but Ty can't . Ty hopes you track down those posters and beat the shit out of them.

8. Cyril Obiozor. Had to go. Cyril? Really? WTF was your mom thinking. Maybe you didn't figure it out, but guys named cyril don't play in the NFL, they work at bell labs.

10. Kole Heckendorf. First, Ty hates your name. Kole. You parents tried way too hard, couldn't just go with cole could they. You are a special snowflake. Anyway, kole reminds me of cole trickle and that shitty cruise movie days of thunder. Add in the potential of lame "dorf" jokes and references to the HILARIOUS Tim Conway character Dorf..well, you can plainly see...the risk was too high. Buhbye.

6. Lasagna can track me down for a beating as long as he brings some of that tasty dish to the party.

8. You sure you aren't thinking of Cecil, who would work at Bell Labs or be a fullback?

10. Nicole Kidman is reason enough to watch Days of Thunder. She is good looking enough to put aside all questions about Scientology and NASCAR for at least one viewing.

[ThunderDan]

I'm not going to spin it as being positive..

Instead you ignore the most important components of the deal to spin what is a huge positive into a negative in your unending and admitted bias against Thompson because you for some reason feel some internal need to be the "anti-kool-aid" poster.

Not all draft picks hit. Ted made up for this miss with a 7th round QB hit in the same year.

Could the trade have turned out better? Yeah. Is the deal likely to be a huge win when you factor in all ramifications of it? Yeah.

He didn't spin anything. Ted traded Williams for a 2nd round pick. The pick was Brohm and was a failure. The financial stuff is accurate, but less important.

Ted is a "build through the draft type of guy" Vince. You got to hit on those high picks when you only use half of the tools at your disposal.

Your cheap shot "spin" remarks about bretsky being "anti-koolaid" and a Ted hater, not only show your arrogance, they show you've been beaten at your own game, and all you have left are insults. Pathetic.

Talk about "spin"

We traded a player for a 2nd round draft pick (NO NAME AT THE TIME OF THE TRADE), who could have walked away in FA and the Packers would have gotten nothing.

So we got the potential to hit on the "best" NFL ready QB in the draft verses getting nothing. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

[pbmax]

Ted is a "build through the draft type of guy" Vince. You got to hit on those high picks when you only use half of the tools at your disposal.

Being a build through the draft guy doesn't mean every second round pick has to hit for a team to be successful. Its a less than 50% success rate for picks after the first round.

Letting Brohm go before his second season makes the pick a failure. But that failure is not compounded by bad contract decisions, so there is flexibility to recover.

I don't know what the league thinks of the guy, but I confess I would be surprised if he makes it through waivers. If he does, I could see them bringing him back to the PS. The roster logic for his eventual promotion is there if the CBs get healthy enough to open a spot on the roster after the first few games. Or if Havner and the LBs total gets below 10 somehow.

[Packgator]

Letting Brohm go before his second season makes the pick a failure.

Similar situation in New England. The Pats took a QB (Kevin O'Connell) in the 3rd round of the 2008 draft. They cut him a few days ago.

[RashanGary]

He didn't spin anything. Ted traded Williams for a 2nd round pick. The pick was Brohm and was a failure. The financial stuff is accurate, but less important.

Ted is a "build through the draft type of guy" Vince. You got to hit on those high picks when you only use half of the tools at your disposal.

Your cheap shot "spin" remarks about bretsky being "anti-koolaid" and a Ted hater, not only show your arrogance, they show you've been beaten at your own game, and all you have left are insults. Pathetic.

Was Sherman a, "use all his tools" guy?

[Pugger]

I feel bad for Brohm but I'm glad TT saw the error of his ways and cut his losses. Someone here said a while back in another thread that evaluating QBs is hard. There are scores of good college QBs who just cannot make the transition to the pro game. Instead of wringing our hands about TT's miss in that round how about giving him kudos for finding a diamond in the rough QB on the second day in Flynn??

[Lurker64]

Ted is a "build through the draft type of guy" Vince. You got to hit on those high picks when you only use half of the tools at your disposal.

I think this is an unreasonable standard to hold anybody to. Most draft choices fail, regardless of position, school, history, or fail. There are sometimes indicators that might help you predict who fails, but the guys who succeed have those too. There's really no way to avoid "missing on high picks" short of being able to see the future, and most people who can do that are not employed as NFL GMs.

I think the fair standard to hold Thompson to is "does he hit enough" in any given draft. Sure, Brohm is a bust and Lee is headed that way, but I think we're all happy with Jermichael Finley (third round), Josh Sitton is starting for reasons other than desperation (fifth round), and guys like Jordy Nelson (2nd round), Jeremy Thompson (4th round), and Matt Flynn (7th round) are important role players and backups. Plus the coaches apparently see something in Breno.

So I mean, yeah, to this point Ted missed on two of his three 2nd rounders, but I'm still not seeing a lot of guys in that round that he could have taken that would have been much better.

[vince]

I'm not going to spin it as being positive..

Instead you ignore the most important components of the deal to spin what is a huge positive into a negative in your unending and admitted bias against Thompson because you for some reason feel some internal need to be the "anti-kool-aid" poster.

Not all draft picks hit. Ted made up for this miss with a 7th round QB hit in the same year.

Could the trade have turned out better? Yeah. Is the deal likely to be a huge win when you factor in all ramifications of it? Yeah.

He didn't spin anything. Ted traded Williams for a 2nd round pick. The pick was Brohm and was a failure. The financial stuff is accurate, but less important.

Ted is a "build through the draft type of guy" Vince. You got to hit on those high picks when you only use half of the tools at your disposal.

Your cheap shot "spin" remarks about bretsky being "anti-koolaid" and a Ted hater, not only show your arrogance, they show you've been beaten at your own game, and all you have left are insults. Pathetic.

I disagree that the Brohm part of the Williams deal is less important than the other guy(s) Ted was/will be able to sign with the money saved. Having what turned out to be the free chance (plus $34 mil) to test drive a highly regarded QB for backup work is some great icing on the cake.

As to your need to state your personal opinion of me, I'll let that attack and your history on this board speak for itself.

Bretsky is a valued member of this board - by me and many others. He has also explicitly admitted to feeling the need to "balance" what he perceives to be "kool-aidism" by others. That demonstrates his particular bias. We're all biased. I was pointing out Bretsky's as it relates to this subject because I think it came into effect. He criticized the trade of Williams for what turned out to be Brohm without the context of the whole deal. I brought up the whole context and he accused me of spinning things. He further demonstrated his bias here by feeling the need to "admit" TT did the right thing with Williams after being challenged, as if it somehow pained him to do so, but still criticised the move. I think he's the one who's spinning here by ignoring the full effect of doing that deal in order to criticize one part of it to support his bias.

[rbaloha1]

Believe TT is 22/28 with draft picks. The roster is blessed with young playmakers and depth. Salary cap is fine. What is the problem?