Scouts name Rodgers second best QB in division

[Patler]

5 scouts, 3 from AFC teams and 2 from NFC teams.
Cutler gets 3 first place votes.
Rodgers gets 2 first place votes.

It would have been nice to know if the AFC scouts voted for Cutler and the NFC scouts for Rodgers. Is the difference merely that the scouts have more familiarity with one player than the other?

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Harvey's point is that a single vote difference between five scouts hardly makes a compelling argument. Too few votes to make the difference meaningful.

I wonder though, does McGinn call the guys out of the blue, and have they seen tape of Rodgers, Cutler and Favre this year? If he could, it would make sense for McGinn to ask the scouts who appear at games with the Packers.

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5 scouts, 3 from AFC teams and 2 from NFC teams.
Cutler gets 3 first place votes.
Rodgers gets 2 first place votes.

It would have been nice to know if the AFC scouts voted for Cutler and the NFC scouts for Rodgers. Is the difference merely that the scouts have more familiarity with one player than the other?

Welcome back Snoopy!

[Fritz]

But what has Cutler ever done in college or the pros that would cause anyone to declare this guy the second coming of Sid Luckman?? Yes, he's an upgrade for the pandas but that wouldn't take much...

Cutler has won almost 2/3rds of all the games he has started in the NFL.

I'm thinking that Tyrone is displaying his sharp humor here, but the line did startle me at first, so much so that I had to look it up to be sure - Cutler's record as a starter is 17 - 20. Ya almost got me, Ty, you clever guy.

[ThunderDan]

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

[Waldo]

But what has Cutler ever done in college or the pros that would cause anyone to declare this guy the second coming of Sid Luckman?? Yes, he's an upgrade for the pandas but that wouldn't take much...

Cutler has won almost 2/3rds of all the games he has started in the NFL.

By my count he is 17-20 as a starter.

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You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

Since when? I have opinions and will own them. I'm not ashamed of what I think, and rarely does something that I have a firm stance get proven wrong:

Ike - Blew out an ACL before he could run screwed up his chances
Young - Has shown flashes of being spectacular
Rodgers - Was average last year, looks a lot better this year, have owned it and said I very likely could be wrong but we will see come the season.

What say you?

[Bossman641]

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

Since when? I have opinions and will own them. I'm not ashamed of what I think, and rarely does something that I have a firm stance get proven wrong:

Ike - Blew out an ACL before he could run screwed up his chances
Young - Has shown flashes of being spectacular
Rodgers - Was average last year, looks a lot better this year, have owned it and said I very likely could be wrong but we will see come the season.

What say you?

The only time Young showed flashes of spectacular was in college.

90% of teams would love to have their Qb have Aaron's "average" year from last year.

Morency??

[PackerTimer]

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

Since when? I have opinions and will own them. I'm not ashamed of what I think, and rarely does something that I have a firm stance get proven wrong:

Ike - Blew out an ACL before he could run screwed up his chances
Young - Has shown flashes of being spectacular
Rodgers - Was average last year, looks a lot better this year, have owned it and said I very likely could be wrong but we will see come the season.

What say you?

What world are you living in? Young has shown any flashes of being spectacular. He's shown some flashes of being adequate.

Rogers was average last year. I'll grant you that he could have done some things better, but average is just silly and flat wrong.

If you want to say you've never been proven wrong, you might want to come with something better than that.

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You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

Since when? I have opinions and will own them. I'm not ashamed of what I think, and rarely does something that I have a firm stance get proven wrong:

Ike - Blew out an ACL before he could run screwed up his chances
Young - Has shown flashes of being spectacular
Rodgers - Was average last year, looks a lot better this year, have owned it and said I very likely could be wrong but we will see come the season.

What say you?

The only time Young showed flashes of spectacular was in college.

90% of teams would love to have their Qb have Aaron's "average" year from last year.

Morency??

Never did I claim Morency to be a star. I said he could be a solid starter. I was wrong.

Was Young not flashing when we won rookie of the year, largely because of his clutch play? It takes QBs a long time. Especially ones that aren't known for their arm. Leinart is finally coming around and he was a senior. Young left after a junior and wasn't known as a passer so I will give him another year. Guy has undeniable talent. Whether that talent translates to the pros and pro bowls, we'll see.

90%? I don't believe that number to be true at all. That's 29 teams. You really think 29 teams would rather have Rodgers than there guy? I do not.

[Waldo]

Honestly how does that guy even get paid to write about the Packers?

Mn has former beat writers and super homers infiltrating all levels of the national media.

McGinn's end of season eval would be straight C's and D's (and an F for TT), even if we won the superbowl.

How did someone that hates the Packers so much get to be a beat writer?

I guess though, following in Cliffy's footsteps.

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

I have the nuts to make bold predictions and stand behind what I think. And you....

McGinn hides behind his "scouts" like a little girl.

The Packers supposedly "top" beat reporter thinks that Jay Culter is better than Rodgers, at least that is what he seems to be trying to get across. But he does it in a fucked up backhanded way, name dropping "scouts" so he can appear to come across as this unbiased source that has the inside scoop from game insiders. What if he actually polled 7 scouts, but the overall results didn't fit his headline?

It can't be proven, but IMO he is write the headline, add the data reporter/analyst, and not vice versa. Football outsiders has been caught doing this several times, to the point where any analysis and predictions they make need to be taken with a grain of salt, slight unassuming tweaks of some of their basic arbitrary assumptions can in fact prove the opposite conclusion to be true with the exact same data.

Something about the way Bob writes, practically everything he writes ends with a point the crooked finger barb at something, and he comes across as always writing in a pissed off tone.

You know why the Vikings are the best at everything in the press? Because their beat reporters are big time nob slobbers, and they move up the ladder into the national press. Also the reason that at low hype times for the Pack, anti Pack hype builds rapidly. When the Pack struggles slightly, look how quick guys are to point it out. All the effuse praise for Vikes players is not warranted. Who here knows that their "great" guard is actually a pretty bad pass blocker, and the stats bear it out. Why all the hype and praise for AD's greatness when DeAngelo had a much better season, and is totally flying under the radar in the press.

Instead of our homer beat writers moving up into the national spotlight, giving the Packers love all the time, that is what out opponents do, thus the national press loves them and is quick to criticize the Pack, while our beat reporters spend their time in a vain attempt to prove that in fact TT is an idiot, quick to be critical of anything and everything that will make him look bad.

[Bossman641]

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

Since when? I have opinions and will own them. I'm not ashamed of what I think, and rarely does something that I have a firm stance get proven wrong:

Ike - Blew out an ACL before he could run screwed up his chances
Young - Has shown flashes of being spectacular
Rodgers - Was average last year, looks a lot better this year, have owned it and said I very likely could be wrong but we will see come the season.

What say you?

The only time Young showed flashes of spectacular was in college.

90% of teams would love to have their Qb have Aaron's "average" year from last year.

Morency??

Never did I claim Morency to be a star. I said he could be a solid starter. I was wrong.

Was Young not flashing when we won rookie of the year, largely because of his clutch play?

90%? I don't believe that number to be true at all. That's 29 teams. You really think 29 teams would rather have Rodgers than there guy? I do not.

We've been through this all before, complete with recaps of VY's games, the stats involved, and his influence on the game.

Everyone (but you) concluded that the victories were mostly the result of the defense and running game. VY had 2 games where he played a big role in the win - the scramble in OT against the Texans and the one other game where he escaped a sack and led them on a drive at end of game (Giants??). I'm not going down this road again.

I said Rodgers' year, as in, they could keep their guy and have him put up Rodger's numbers for the year. Maybe 90% is a little high, I'll drop it to 75-80%.

[Waldo]

Honestly how does that guy even get paid to write about the Packers?

Mn has former beat writers and super homers infiltrating all levels of the national media.

McGinn's end of season eval would be straight C's and D's (and an F for TT), even if we won the superbowl.

How did someone that hates the Packers so much get to be a beat writer?

I guess though, following in Cliffy's footsteps.

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

I didn't guarantee anything. You are the one who throws out guarantees. The game is much too fluid to do anything of the sort.

Where is my check for Chillar not starting? I thought that he was our best linebacker. At least that is what you said.

I've also hit on a lot too. Who here thought we were going to keep Dietrich-Smith? How about cut Sutton? Keep Underwood and Jones?

Who else figured out pre draft that Matthews was the highest OLB on TT's board? How about pinned our 4th round pick, Lang, dead on, months before the draft. How about taking a FB in the mid rounds. What about figuring that the pick gained from Favre would most likely be used to trade up.

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That's two more big time wins than ARod has

I think the number is probably closer to 60%.

[pbmax]

Go Waldo Go (about press pre-season press coverage).

But the trend you speak of isn't holding true this year. This preseason everyone has jumped on the Pack bandwagon because of the preseason 1st half results (esp. Cardinals) and the two first round picks. Its the worst kind of praise, because it is based on exhibition games and 1st year players that haven't played a down of live professional football. I agree it is exactly the kind of coverage some recent Viking teams have gotten.

The team has real questions. Can a second year TE make a difference as the third pass weapon consistently and in the Red Zone? Can we finally run for both big yards in ZBS AND have some success short yardage? Can Rodgers and the line cut down on the number of sacks?

And can the defense prove to me that the Titans first drive of the game, where we gave up pass plays in the middle AND let the Titans rush outside, is not a precursor to playing defense exactly like we played last year?

The parts and coaches are in place to solidify those areas. But nothing is proven yet. Bill Simmons doesn't know either. Now get these national morons off the bandwagon.