Scouts name Rodgers second best QB in division

[Partial]

Pack are gonna be good imo. I don't know why you want everyone off their bandwagon. I think they're gonna go 12-4ish. I don't think we have the horses to be dominant on D but we'll be adequate and very good offensively. This team will be a more balanced attack and will run for hella yards imo.

[Chevelle2]

Partial you are brainless. Lets go through every team in the league and see how their QB fares in comparison to Rodgers

Arizona - Warner - Wash, although Rodgers is younger
Rams - Bulger - Advantage Rodgers
Niners - Hill - Advantage Rodgers
Hawks - Hass - Advantage Rodgers

Broncos - Orton - Advantage Rodgers
Chieifs - Cassell - Advantage Rodgers
Raiders - Russell - Advantage Rodgers
Chargers - Rivers - Advantage Rivers

Falcons - Ryan - Advantage Rodgers
Panthers - Delhomme - Advantage Rodgers
Saints - Brees - Advantage Brees
Bucs - Leftwich - Advantage Rodgers

Texans - Schaub - Advantage Rodgers
Colts - Manning - Advantage Manning
Jags - Garrard - Advantage Rodgers
Titans - Collins - Advantage Rodgers

Cowboys - Romo - Wash, although Rodgers will probably win a playoff game before Romo
Giants - Eli - Advantage Rodgers
Eagles - McNabb - Wash, although McNabb is a little bitch
Skins - Campbell - Advantage Rodgers

Bills - Edwards - Advantage Rodgers
Dolphins - CP10 - Advantage Rodgers
Pats - Brady - Advantage Brady
Jets - Sanchez - Advantage Rodgers

Bears - Cutler - Advantage Rodgers, in both numbers and attitude
Vikings - Favre - Advantage Rodgers
Lions - Stafford Advantage Rodgers

Steelers - Big Ben - Advantage Ben, although I think Ben is overrated
Ravens - Flacco - Advantage Rodgers
Browns - Quinn - Advantage Rodgers
Bengals - Palmer - Advantage Rodgers, until Palmer can be 100% for a full season

Advantage Rodgers: 23
Wash: 3
Advantage X player:5

23/31 = 74%.

You can try and argue these, but I think most in the forum would agree with me, and I may be giving too much credit to Warner and McNabb at that.

[Zool]

Now get these national morons off the bandwagon.

No shit PB. The team that jumps out of nowhere in the pre-season as some sort of favorite by the yammering idiots. I was actually feeling pretty good about this season until the hype machine started up. Now I'm not nearly as excited.

[Bossman641]

That's two more big time wins than ARod has

I think the number is probably closer to 60%.

Here's last year's QB stats.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2008/seasontype/2

I'd love to know the 13 QB's who had a better individual year than Rodgers.

[KYPack]

But what has Cutler ever done in college or the pros that would cause anyone to declare this guy the second coming of Sid Luckman?? Yes, he's an upgrade for the pandas but that wouldn't take much...

Cutler has won almost 2/3rds of all the games he has started in the NFL.

He's 17 - 20 as an NFL starter in his career.

[Partial]

That's two more big time wins than ARod has

I think the number is probably closer to 60%.

Here's last year's QB stats.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2008/seasontype/2

I'd love to know the 13 QB's who had a better individual year than Rodgers.

We're rehashing an old argument, and you already where I know. 12-13 was about right for last year. He looks a lot better this year and as such I think the team will be very good. Super bowl is the expectation this year.

[Partial]

Partial you are brainless. Lets go through every team in the league and see how their QB fares in comparison to Rodgers

Arizona - Warner - Wash, although Rodgers is younger
Rams - Bulger - Advantage Rodgers
Niners - Hill - Advantage Rodgers
Hawks - Hass - Advantage Rodgers

Broncos - Orton - Advantage Rodgers
Chieifs - Cassell - Advantage Rodgers
Raiders - Russell - Advantage Rodgers
Chargers - Rivers - Advantage Rivers

Falcons - Ryan - Advantage Rodgers
Panthers - Delhomme - Advantage Rodgers
Saints - Brees - Advantage Brees
Bucs - Leftwich - Advantage Rodgers

Texans - Schaub - Advantage Rodgers
Colts - Manning - Advantage Manning
Jags - Garrard - Advantage Rodgers
Titans - Collins - Advantage Rodgers

Cowboys - Romo - Wash, although Rodgers will probably win a playoff game before Romo
Giants - Eli - Advantage Rodgers
Eagles - McNabb - Wash, although McNabb is a little bitch
Skins - Campbell - Advantage Rodgers

Bills - Edwards - Advantage Rodgers
Dolphins - CP10 - Advantage Rodgers
Pats - Brady - Advantage Brady
Jets - Sanchez - Advantage Rodgers

Bears - Cutler - Advantage Rodgers, in both numbers and attitude
Vikings - Favre - Advantage Rodgers
Lions - Stafford Advantage Rodgers

Steelers - Big Ben - Advantage Ben, although I think Ben is overrated
Ravens - Flacco - Advantage Rodgers
Browns - Quinn - Advantage Rodgers
Bengals - Palmer - Advantage Rodgers, until Palmer can be 100% for a full season

Advantage Rodgers: 23
Wash: 3
Advantage X player:5

23/31 = 74%.

You can try and argue these, but I think most in the forum would agree with me, and I may be giving too much credit to Warner and McNabb at that.

I don't think most of the people here would agree with you based on last year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Don't give a shit about what scouts say about our Rodgers. He's a good QB who is showing signs of becoming an outstanding QB and then potentially an elite one.

Scouts can be biased by a pre-conceived notion or simply jumping on a concensus about a player that's been passed around by other scouts or talking heads. Same argument goes for talking heads as well and their thoughts.

It will all be revealed on the field.

[bobblehead]

But what has Cutler ever done in college or the pros that would cause anyone to declare this guy the second coming of Sid Luckman?? Yes, he's an upgrade for the pandas but that wouldn't take much...

Cutler has won almost 2/3rds of all the games he has started in the NFL.

I'm thinking that Tyrone is displaying his sharp humor here, but the line did startle me at first, so much so that I had to look it up to be sure - Cutler's record as a starter is 17 - 20. Ya almost got me, Ty, you clever guy.

NO MORE USING FACTS!!! Its just not fair when you do.

[Waldo]

Can we finally run for both big yards in ZBS AND have some success short yardage?

Done make me go stat hunting.....

But on this fact, you have been duped. (see, I pointed out that this is specifically one of McGinn's gripes with the ZBS, but he has no facts to back it up, and he is DEAD WRONG).

The Packers the last 2 years have been one of the most successful short yardage teams in the NFL.

[bobblehead]

Honestly how does that guy even get paid to write about the Packers?

Mn has former beat writers and super homers infiltrating all levels of the national media.

McGinn's end of season eval would be straight C's and D's (and an F for TT), even if we won the superbowl.

How did someone that hates the Packers so much get to be a beat writer?

I guess though, following in Cliffy's footsteps.

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

I didn't guarantee anything. You are the one who throws out guarantees. The game is much too fluid to do anything of the sort.

Where is my check for Chillar not starting? I thought that he was our best linebacker. At least that is what you said.

I've also hit on a lot too. Who here thought we were going to keep Dietrich-Smith? How about cut Sutton? Keep Underwood and Jones?

Who else figured out pre draft that Matthews was the highest OLB on TT's board? How about pinned our 4th round pick, Lang, dead on, months before the draft. How about taking a FB in the mid rounds. What about figuring that the pick gained from Favre would most likely be used to trade up.

Actually Waldo I was the one who said Chillar was our best LB LAST YEAR. I also said he very well might not start if Barnett and Hawk are healthy. I don't mind having an honest debate with you, and I won't make it personal like partial did, but if you are going to bring back things I said, please keep it accurate....for instance if I said "chillar is a glorified SS" and dismissed him entirely right before he took a bunch of snaps from Hawk then you could quote me...oh wait, you said that not me.

Now, just like you said, its a fluid game and things change, but your track record isn't as good as many on here. Jeremy Thompson, Reggie White and all great pass rushers lining up on the right side. I could go on for awhile with this, but like you said, we all make mistakes and I can look back at a few of my predictions as well and blush. Overall, I'll put my track record against anyones, but like I said to nutz about painting himself into a corner, your high brow speeches where you go out of your way to sound smarter and occassionally are dismissive is what makes people take that childesh glee when you are wrong.

Bottom line: McGinn NUTTED the win loss record for the packers two years running, so I'll value his opinion quite often. His article wasn't bagging on rodgers, it was informative. As packer fans we might all want to dismiss Cutler and declare Rodgers much better, but Cutler passed for 4500 yards last season. He at the very least belongs in the debate with ARod....and that is why McGinn gets paid for this stuff and you and I don't.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But what has Cutler ever done in college or the pros that would cause anyone to declare this guy the second coming of Sid Luckman?? Yes, he's an upgrade for the pandas but that wouldn't take much...

Cutler has won almost 2/3rds of all the games he has started in the NFL.

By my count he is 17-20 as a starter.

And, that my friend is why i usually use the much derided emoticons.

Sarcasm.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

Man is that funny coming out of your mouth!!!

Since when? I have opinions and will own them. I'm not ashamed of what I think, and rarely does something that I have a firm stance get proven wrong:

Ike - Blew out an ACL before he could run screwed up his chances
Young - Has shown flashes of being spectacular
Rodgers - Was average last year, looks a lot better this year, have owned it and said I very likely could be wrong but we will see come the season.

What say you?

The only time Young showed flashes of spectacular was in college.

90% of teams would love to have their Qb have Aaron's "average" year from last year.

Morency??

Never did I claim Morency to be a star. I said he could be a solid starter. I was wrong.

Was Young not flashing when we won rookie of the year, largely because of his clutch play? It takes QBs a long time. Especially ones that aren't known for their arm. Leinart is finally coming around and he was a senior. Young left after a junior and wasn't known as a passer so I will give him another year. Guy has undeniable talent. Whether that talent translates to the pros and pro bowls, we'll see.

90%? I don't believe that number to be true at all. That's 29 teams. You really think 29 teams would rather have Rodgers than there guy? I do not.

this is why you have such a hard time. Sometimes i really question whether you attended college or even can read.

Nobody said 90% would want Arod, he said 90% would want Arod's average year. Big differene.

Try reading and most importanly comprehending.

And, yes, 90% would want their QB to put up Arod's season #s.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Honestly how does that guy even get paid to write about the Packers?

Mn has former beat writers and super homers infiltrating all levels of the national media.

McGinn's end of season eval would be straight C's and D's (and an F for TT), even if we won the superbowl.

How did someone that hates the Packers so much get to be a beat writer?

I guess though, following in Cliffy's footsteps.

You talk a big game, yet are proven wrong time and time again. I didn't see that check in the mail after you guaranteed Chillar or Bishop would be gone AND then again that Lasanah would be here.

You talk a big game. Guys like McGinn speak softly and carry a big stick.

I have the nuts to make bold predictions and stand behind what I think. And you....

McGinn hides behind his "scouts" like a little girl.

The Packers supposedly "top" beat reporter thinks that Jay Culter is better than Rodgers, at least that is what he seems to be trying to get across. But he does it in a fucked up backhanded way, name dropping "scouts" so he can appear to come across as this unbiased source that has the inside scoop from game insiders. What if he actually polled 7 scouts, but the overall results didn't fit his headline?

It can't be proven, but IMO he is write the headline, add the data reporter/analyst, and not vice versa. Football outsiders has been caught doing this several times, to the point where any analysis and predictions they make need to be taken with a grain of salt, slight unassuming tweaks of some of their basic arbitrary assumptions can in fact prove the opposite conclusion to be true with the exact same data.

Something about the way Bob writes, practically everything he writes ends with a point the crooked finger barb at something, and he comes across as always writing in a pissed off tone.

You know why the Vikings are the best at everything in the press? Because their beat reporters are big time nob slobbers, and they move up the ladder into the national press. Also the reason that at low hype times for the Pack, anti Pack hype builds rapidly. When the Pack struggles slightly, look how quick guys are to point it out. All the effuse praise for Vikes players is not warranted. Who here knows that their "great" guard is actually a pretty bad pass blocker, and the stats bear it out. Why all the hype and praise for AD's greatness when DeAngelo had a much better season, and is totally flying under the radar in the press.

Instead of our homer beat writers moving up into the national spotlight, giving the Packers love all the time, that is what out opponents do, thus the national press loves them and is quick to criticize the Pack, while our beat reporters spend their time in a vain attempt to prove that in fact TT is an idiot, quick to be critical of anything and everything that will make him look bad.

Dude,

I'm sorry, but i read that story and in no way did i get the same impressions as you.

It might be time for you to admit you have a mcginn bias and evaluate whether it is affecting your ability to read his stories and interpret the material.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But what has Cutler ever done in college or the pros that would cause anyone to declare this guy the second coming of Sid Luckman?? Yes, he's an upgrade for the pandas but that wouldn't take much...

Cutler has won almost 2/3rds of all the games he has started in the NFL.

He's 17 - 20 as an NFL starter in his career.

Wow. How long have i been posting and you can't even tell sarcasm? Sigh.

At least Fritz got it, after being semi fooled.

for shame, ky, for shame.