+ and -'s from Week 1 Game

[Bossman641]

i don't know if he was trying to get the 12 men on the field penalty. he was never looking up to see where mathews was. and why would he take the time to look back and wolfe and point at him before he snaps.

if he sees that theres 12 with one guy trying to get off, wouldn't you just snap it as fast as you can to the punter?

plus, on the one replay where you could see him point, you could see a giant hole just to his left the opened up when he snapped it, only to have swain fly in and plug it

collinsworth was the one saying he was trying to catch matthews.

collinsworth doesn't know his ass from his dick

Normally I would agree with you, but I heard the interview with Mannelly. Mannelly said that they were trying to catch Matthews on the field and get a free play out of it.

[red]

i don't know if he was trying to get the 12 men on the field penalty. he was never looking up to see where mathews was. and why would he take the time to look back and wolfe and point at him before he snaps.

if he sees that theres 12 with one guy trying to get off, wouldn't you just snap it as fast as you can to the punter?

plus, on the one replay where you could see him point, you could see a giant hole just to his left the opened up when he snapped it, only to have swain fly in and plug it

collinsworth was the one saying he was trying to catch matthews.

collinsworth doesn't know his ass from his dick

Normally I would agree with you, but I heard the interview with Mannelly. Mannelly said that they were trying to catch Matthews on the field and get a free play out of it.

oh ok, i never heard that the guy gave an interview

i thought all this was based on collinsworths gushing

[Little Whiskey]

I was watching late last night on DVR, and my fucking machine stopped recording just before the packers made their thrilling comeback. Had to come on here and read the last 10 pages of the game thread.

Hard drive take a dump? might want to check with skin on a solution

[sharpe1027]

i don't know if he was trying to get the 12 men on the field penalty. he was never looking up to see where mathews was. and why would he take the time to look back and wolfe and point at him before he snaps.

if he sees that theres 12 with one guy trying to get off, wouldn't you just snap it as fast as you can to the punter?

plus, on the one replay where you could see him point, you could see a giant hole just to his left the opened up when he snapped it, only to have swain fly in and plug it

collinsworth was the one saying he was trying to catch matthews.

collinsworth doesn't know his ass from his dick

Normally I would agree with you, but I heard the interview with Mannelly. Mannelly said that they were trying to catch Matthews on the field and get a free play out of it.

If they were trying to catch Matthews offsides, then it makes sense to snap it to the back and see if you can get the first down. If you snap it to the punter, it is just 5 yards and they have to punt again anyway.

[Little Whiskey]

on the fake punt. the long snapper had his head up his ass. so what if you get a free play. the up man had no idea the ball was comming and even if the pack had 12 on the field the best they could hope for is to punt again. I don't take this gamble when i'm on the opponents 30 yardline. maybe if your are on your own 40, but not that far back. not worth the risk.

also, Its nice to see the defense put some pressure on the qb.

[Lurker64]

Well, I understand the logic on the fake punt, I just don't agree with it in this situation in the game.

There are basically three things that can happen, one is good, another is pretty good, and the other is very bad.

Good Thing
The Bears get a big play on the fake (they almost did) where Wolfe gets a very long run or at least a first down.

Okay Thing
Bears don't get the first down, but they catch the 12 man still on the field so they move the ball up 5 yards and punt from further upfield.

Very Bad Thing
What happened in the game.

Are there times when this is a reasonable call in punting situations? Yeah, but not deep in your own territory in a game where your lead is less than a FG. On the 50 yard line with a 6 point lead? Maybe, it's a gutsy call.

But as it stands, it was stupid. I'm sure they have it in the playbook for situations where the call actually makes sense, and the LS just made a significant mental error. At least in his defense, it didn't really affect the outcome of the game.

[The Shadow]

Swain's play on the fake punt was crucial.

[Patler]

on the fake punt. the long snapper had his head up his ass.

No, that's the standard longsnapper position when he looks at the punter. It only appears like a cranial-anal insertion!

[Little Whiskey]

on the fake punt. the long snapper had his head up his ass.

No, that's the standard longsnapper position when he looks at the punter. It only appears like an cranial-anal insertion!

patler that was a good one. just about blew some Miller lite out of my nose.

[Lurker64]

Swain's play on the fake punt was crucial.

Yeah, if Swain didn't make the heads-up play, Wolfe probably sprints to the endzone and our 0-1 record would have filled this message board with anger and recrimination while Lovie Smith is being regaled as a ballsy genius throughout the Chicago media today.

[Bossman641]

Swain's play on the fake punt was crucial.

Yeah, if Swain didn't make the heads-up play, Wolfe probably sprints to the endzone and our 0-1 record would have filled this message board with anger and recrimination while Lovie Smith is being regaled as a ballsy genius throughout the Chicago media today.

I think Ruvell would have made the same heads up-play and then taken everyone out for pizza and beer after the game, increasing their team chemistry by .3 points.

Swain is a failure.

[mission]

Swain's play on the fake punt was crucial.

Yeah, if Swain didn't make the heads-up play, Wolfe probably sprints to the endzone and our 0-1 record would have filled this message board with anger and recrimination while Lovie Smith is being regaled as a ballsy genius throughout the Chicago media today.

I think Ruvell would have made the same heads up-play and then taken everyone out for pizza and beer after the game, increasing their team chemistry by .3 points.

Swain is a failure.

[The Leaper]

it wasn't so much a horrible call by the bears but a great play from swain

Sorry Red...that's a damn horrible call.

4th and 11...at your own 30 yard line???

If this happened on the Packers side of the field, or with 5 or less yards to go, I could agree that it wasn't horrible.

However, as it happened, it was a horrible decision. The game was a defensive struggle...and the Bears gave away momentum when the Packers were struggling to move the ball.

[The Leaper]

+ Defensive intensity

+ Jenkins

+ gang-tackling

+ Rodgers confidence

- Barbre

- Driver

- playcalling

- refs

[channtheman]

Swain's play on the fake punt was crucial.

Yeah, if Swain didn't make the heads-up play, Wolfe probably sprints to the endzone and our 0-1 record would have filled this message board with anger and recrimination while Lovie Smith is being regaled as a ballsy genius throughout the Chicago media today.

I think Ruvell would have made the same heads up-play and then taken everyone out for pizza and beer after the game, increasing their team chemistry by .3 points.

Swain is a failure.

Yeah ever since Ruvell got cut team chemistry has been dropping at an alarming rate. If my calculations are correct it was down to about 4.4/10 before the game. With Swain's play, it dropped to 3.5/10.