NFC North QB Race 2009

[channtheman]

I believe AR has 2 4th quarter comebacks on his resume.

It is a flawed stat. Detroit last year counts as one.

Brett has less than 10 come from behind victories on his record with less than 5:00 to play, and his with less than 2:00 to play I believe his victories can be counted with 2 fingers.

4th quarter comebacks really need to be defined better. I think they even count overtime. So your team could be leading the whole game but your poor play at QB or an INT lets the other team come back to tie the game. Then the opposing team fumbles the OT kickoff and your team recovers and kicks the game winner. That counts as a game winning drive or comeback (I think) and you really did nothing for it. In fact, your play almost cost the team the game.

I've always rolled my eyes when they showed the stat of Favre's 4th quarter comebacks with 2 minutes to go as I don't recall ever seeing a comeback by Favre in the 4th quarter with 2 minutes to go. I'm a younger fan and started watching with my dad in 2000. He agreed with me that the stat was BS because we rarely if ever saw Favre come back in the last 2 minutes.

[Brandon494]

Well Favre does have the most 4th quarter comebacks, I believe AR has only 1. That was my point, not that you have to bring a team back from 21 down.

Technically, Rodgers has 3. And Gunakor is correct. He didn't say Rodgers would be the MVP right now. He said that if Rodgers maintains his guady stats and the Packers finish with a record close to the other top contenders, he'll be a favorite to win it. Right now, he wouldn't be. If those things happened though, he would be.

I know he didnt say Rodgers would be the MVP right now, what Im saying that even if Rodgers did put up similiar numbers and wins as both of them why would he be the favorite over them? The media has way more hype over Brees and Manning then they do over Rodgers. Rodgers just isnt going to win it because he is a Packers. They are going to remember those big time games like the one Brees just had other the Fins to make their decisions.

[channtheman]

Well Favre does have the most 4th quarter comebacks, I believe AR has only 1. That was my point, not that you have to bring a team back from 21 down.

Technically, Rodgers has 3. And Gunakor is correct. He didn't say Rodgers would be the MVP right now. He said that if Rodgers maintains his guady stats and the Packers finish with a record close to the other top contenders, he'll be a favorite to win it. Right now, he wouldn't be. If those things happened though, he would be.

I know he didnt say Rodgers would be the MVP right now, what Im saying that even if Rodgers did put up similiar numbers and wins as both of them why would he be the favorite over them? The media has way more hype over Brees and Manning then they do over Rodgers. Rodgers just isnt going to win it because he is a Packers. They are going to remember those big time games like the one Brees just had other the Fins to make their decisions.

He wouldn't necessarily be above them but that is why it's a vote. I suppose if Rodgers keeps up the numbers and the Packers win 12 games this year we would find out where the media puts Rodgers. I think a lot of them would see him as replacing Favre and give him a lot of credit for that. There is no way to know this right now though. It would take a lot for Rodgers to be placed above Brees and Manning, but it's surely possible.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I know he didnt say Rodgers would be the MVP right now, what Im saying that even if Rodgers did put up similiar numbers and wins as both of them why would he be the favorite over them? The media has way more hype over Brees and Manning then they do over Rodgers. Rodgers just isnt going to win it because he is a Packers. They are going to remember those big time games like the one Brees just had other the Fins to make their decisions.

This is where I disagree. I think that Rodgers has become a media darling. People are rooting for him to do well after what he went through. People like the underdog or the guy who hasn't gotten a fair shake. He mostly gets glowing reports from the media. In fact, I'd say he would be the favorite to win a three man race with Manning and Brees if (and it's a HUGE if) he had similar stats and a similar won/loss record. Actually, I think he and Brees would be the favorites. Neither has won the award before and voters tend to downgrade previous winners. It's probably why only two players have ever won the award three times.

[SnakeLH2006]

Didn't Brady finish with a 115 in the best season ever? If ARod goes a few more weeks with that sort of rating and the Pack keep winning he could be MVP.

Dude has to win something first.....or get to the playoffs big P, no? A 10-12 career record to date doesn't make it likely at this point....just sayin' though. I'd be happy with 10-6 and wildcard. Wildcard QB's do not a MVP QB make.

The pick falls squarely on Bert's shoulder. The throw was early and over his head. Try standing 5 yards from someone and have them throw it over your head and turn around just as its thrown and see if you can catch it.

Certain posters want to conveniently forget Bert's non tackle. Mere weeks after Bert is being glorified for running down the field and laying a hit, Bert flails and flops like some sorta soccer player from Copenhagen.

Or a silly Swedish schoolgirl.

Yeah, Brett flubbed that tackle bad. They had 2 timouts left, and could have tackled/got in the way to prevent the game-winning TD by the Pitt. D, but, alas, back to important ass things like Swedish schoogirls...........hmmmm.....yummzorz! Giggity giggity.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dude has to win something first.....or get to the playoffs big P, no? A 10-12 career record to date doesn't make it likely at this point....just sayin' though. I'd be happy with 10-6 and wildcard. Wildcard QB's do not a MVP QB make.

What he did last year has no bearing on this year's MVP race. The argument was if Rodgers put up stats like Manning and Brees and his team finished with a similar record, would he be a frontrunner for MVP. I'd say yes. He has a lot of good will with the media.

[SnakeLH2006]

Dude has to win something first.....or get to the playoffs big P, no? A 10-12 career record to date doesn't make it likely at this point....just sayin' though. I'd be happy with 10-6 and wildcard. Wildcard QB's do not a MVP QB make.

What he did last year has no bearing on this year's MVP race. The argument was if Rodgers put up stats like Manning and Brees and his team finished with a similar record, would he be a frontrunner for MVP. I'd say yes. He has a lot of good will with the media.

That's fine. Doubt we get a #1 or #2 seed this year....If we do, yes, put him up there, but historically, MVP winners are from the top 4 NFL teams that year.

Snake loves the Pack. Snake loves ARod. But.....Snake doubts picking the Packers (in lots of NFL pick'em, NFL spread, NFL suicide/elimination pools.....and still alive at the top, no BS, in all of them...and I win at those pools) weekly. Why? I bet smart on the winners. ARod hasn't proven to be a winner...yet. He may be eventually, though.

We (the Packers) haven't beat anyone great yet to be a top team. Arod if he wins out or does enough to be 11-5 at the least, will be an MVP contender.

I love his stats (but underwhelmed with leadership, aka wins, thus far....and his propensity to take huge sacks which don't affect his QB rating and kill drives and wins, thus far). But, if he straightens that out, he's good to go.

An MVP is a winner/beast....ala Manning, Brady, etc. ARod has a lot to prove to get into that echelon of winners/MVP candidates IMO.

[MJZiggy]

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[RashanGary]

The amazing part is that we're seeing pass defenses on 1st and 2nd down because we have Ryan "ordinary" Grant.

And they're seeing 8 in the box on 1st and 2nd down because they have Adrian "All Day" Peterson.

And our QB is having the better year.



Us seeing pass defense is fact. Them seeing 8 in the box is fact. Watch a Packer game and read Chilly's quote on how teams defend their offense.

[Scott Campbell]

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[MJZiggy]

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[Tyrone Bigguns]

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We are finding a shared interest. YES!!!!

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[Partial]

The amazing part is that we're seeing pass defenses on 1st and 2nd down because we have Ryan "ordinary" Grant.

And they're seeing 8 in the box on 1st and 2nd down because they have Adrian "All Day" Peterson.

And our QB is having the better year.



Us seeing pass defense is fact. Them seeing 8 in the box is fact. Watch a Packer game and read Chilly's quote on how teams defend their offense.

Both QBs are having great years but without a doubt in my opinion Favre has been better. Why? Because he was the primary play maker in the slaughtering against the Pack (it was not a close game, please do not come back and say that is was, they took their foot off the gas big time), they have a better record, and they look like a much more dangerous team to me.

[RashanGary]

The amazing part is that we're seeing pass defenses on 1st and 2nd down because we have Ryan "ordinary" Grant.

And they're seeing 8 in the box on 1st and 2nd down because they have Adrian "All Day" Peterson.

And our QB is having the better year.



Us seeing pass defense is fact. Them seeing 8 in the box is fact. Watch a Packer game and read Chilly's quote on how teams defend their offense.

Both QBs are having great years but without a doubt in my opinion Favre has been better. Why? Because he was the primary play maker in the slaughtering against the Pack (it was not a close game, please do not come back and say that is was, they took their foot off the gas big time), they have a better record, and they look like a much more dangerous team to me.

Check the records again in 12 hours. There is no championship given out to the best team after 6 weeks. You should know that by now.

[RashanGary]

IMO Rodgers is the better QB right now. He makes all of the passes Brett makes and more. He's more mobile and he's a better teammate.

There is a schism that will open when these Vikes start losing. brINT has a long way to go.