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He was terrible in the first half, poor in the third quarter, and mildly lousy in the fourth.
So he did get better. This team has invested a lot of time in Rogers, yes, and he needs to be protected. But they've also invested a lot of time and training in Barbre. I would keep him in there but be ready for some scheme changes if he needs help. Give him some training wheels.
Really, how much time has Green Bay invested in Barbre? I can't remember him even as a healthy backup for our line in recent years. He's not a rookie, so why haven't we seen him as a backup? Why hadn't we seen him come in for Tauch last year when Tauch got injured? Judging what I saw on Sunday, I can answer my own question.
Any way we can get Tony Moll back for that safety who didn't play when Bigby got hurt?
Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow
I believe there is a difference between benching a seasoned vet and a guy starting his first game. Ogunleye was in the backfield a hell of a lot more often than 2-3 times. It was at least 10 times in the first half. The second half was not much better.
I question whether or not Barbre is ready for OJT training. I recognize that you can't determine that based on one performance. That's why I asked if it was worth the risk with the franchise qb?
Had this in the gameday thread... as I quickly rewatched the 1st half during halftime.
Barbre blew pass protection 10 times (3 sacks, 5 hurries, 2 other) in the 1st half and at least 2 more in the 2nd half.
M3 tried to spread the blame saying the whole line was off - but I think he's protecting Barbre's ego/confidence.
JSO with McCarthy and Philbin on the record (although not quoted about the number) said that Barbre was responsible for two sacks and 3 hits. Not sure what other is unless its pressure, and nothing is listed for that in the piece.
If Fosco's numbers are correct, then results did improve, though some of this had to be from the help he was getting.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
McCarthy reaffirmed that Barbre will be starting next week, so don't get your hopes up for this one.
Yeah, I give this about a 1% chance of happening.
It's against Thompson's religion or something.
That said, I'd do it.
Agreed.
What do they have to lose in trying? His salary won't be guaranteed, since it is midseason signing. And even if Barbre gets his footing, they are far better off with some depth at tackle.
TT screwed up at tackle this season. But that is a little harsh, since no team can have quality depth at every position.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
Good point. At this point in his career, Big John is basically an old broken down OT. He is on his last pass thru the league. Barbre is probably a better answer in the running game, due to his young body and agility.
Pass pro?
There would have been no way Ogunleye would have a big day against Runyan. That old bugger knows every trick in the book and would have used them against the Bears.
It's a devils alternative, really. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I can see equal justification on both sides of the argument.
I imagine we will stay with Barbre. TT always errs on the side of youth. Getting Runyan is counter to Thompson's core beliefs. I think TT will stay the course.
I did a little checking on Jon Runyan and this is what I found:
He will be 36 in November. In February 2009, Runyan had micromicrofracture surgery on his right knee. In mid August he was cleared to play, but as of September 11, 2009 he did not have a contract with a NFL team. So is his knee and his age making teams hesitate? Mark Tauscher is a spry 32.
I think signing Runyan isn't really necessary. Our "emergency bailout" solution is already on the roster. There are really no LDEs in the league who could beat Daryn Colledge consistently one-on-one if you line him up at RT (the only pass rusher characteristic he struggles with is length, and all of the long armed guys (e.g. Ware, Maybin, etc.) play on the right side of the defense).
So if Barbre continues to absolutely shit the bed, you can move Daryn over to RT and try to figure out what's going on at LG (is Lang ready? Can Spitz or Sitton play LG?)
I'm personally of the mind that Clifton/Lang/Spitz/Sitton/Colledge would be a better line in terms of run blocking and pass blocking than Clifton/Colledge/Spitz/Sitton/(Runyan/Tauscher/other aging vet on his last hurrah).
Let what McCarthy said about "Colledge is an LG, period, be damned.) Sign him to a contract extension as a G, then move him to tackle!
Runyan isn't the answer here......there is a reason the guy isn't on a team let alone a starting RT. Well.......maybe bring Runyan in to teach him how to hold.
Give Barbre some help if he starts whiffing in pass protection.....maybe he gets it going soon.
As it was mentioned in other threads, Ogle is a load at LDE. Barbre had a handful to deal with on his first start. Even with the chip blocks, he was still getting pretty consistent pressure.
I think going with Barbre this w/e against is the right choice. An easier opponent in Cinnci. I don't know much about Geathers, I think he's pretty good. Overall though, the Bengal's DL is not as strong, so we can afford to give Barbre help if needed, and keep Rodgers healthy. If things don't start looking up after that, then maybe it's time to push the panic button.
I don't understand people being so own on Tauscher. Was his play that bad before he got hurt? I remember comments that it was declining, but didn't think it'd gotten to the point of intolerable. Tausch had some miles on him, but hadn't had a lot of injuries - is he really washed up at 32? Lots of effective OL in the league older than that.
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After the first preseason game concerned that AB has problems with edge rushers. AB improved during preseason and thought the o-line would be as good as Sherman's best lines.
Low and behold AB played horribly. Reminded of Mandarich against Reggie White. Coach Campen attributes to technical flaws -- sounds correct.
Still think AB's best position is guard like Wahle. If Runyan passes a physical and AB continues to struggle he is worth signing.
Yes, the run game suffers. But at this point protecting AR is more crucial. TJ Lang should also start taking rt reps.
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