Rodgers' Toughness

[mraynrand]

Interesting thread, Kiwon, especially your comparison of the type of hits Rodgers took compared to Favre.

Now, I'm mostly remembering Favre for the last 8 years or so, but I really can't recall him getting lit up in the way Urlacher just drilled Rodgers. Favre was uncommonly good at avoiding that kind of blow, and I'd like to see Rodgers develop that skill set over the next few years.

I'd rather have my qb be the slippery eel rather than the stout oak. Because in the NFL, there's always going to be a bigger, badder oak.

If Uhrlacher hit favre like that there would have been a flag.

AARP would have filed a complaint too.

[gbgary]

Interesting thread, Kiwon, especially your comparison of the type of hits Rodgers took compared to Favre.

Now, I'm mostly remembering Favre for the last 8 years or so, but I really can't recall him getting lit up in the way Urlacher just drilled Rodgers. Favre was uncommonly good at avoiding that kind of blow, and I'd like to see Rodgers develop that skill set over the next few years.

I'd rather have my qb be the slippery eel rather than the stout oak. Because in the NFL, there's always going to be a bigger, badder oak.

If Uhrlacher hit favre like that there would have been a flag.

AARP would have filed a complaint too.

[Pugger]

Interesting thread, Kiwon, especially your comparison of the type of hits Rodgers took compared to Favre.

Now, I'm mostly remembering Favre for the last 8 years or so, but I really can't recall him getting lit up in the way Urlacher just drilled Rodgers. Favre was uncommonly good at avoiding that kind of blow, and I'd like to see Rodgers develop that skill set over the next few years.

I'd rather have my qb be the slippery eel rather than the stout oak. Because in the NFL, there's always going to be a bigger, badder oak.

If Uhrlacher hit favre like that there would have been a flag.

AARP would have filed a complaint too.

[MichiganPackerFan]

If Uhrlacher hit favre like that there would have been a flag.

Not necessarily. Urlacher is a cheap shot artist. He hit farve with a solid shot well after he was out of bounds a couple seasons back and no flag. Urlacher is allowed his typical cheap shots like Shaq is allowed routine travelling and player control fouls.

[Deputy Nutz]

I was quite happy to see the slide actually. He had two defenders converging on him at top speed and slid underneath the hit. He didn't have a chance of getting the first. If he'd dived, he'd have gotten sandwiched between them and snapped into two pieces.

I'd rather have third and 1 than Flynn trying to make that TD pass as a substitute.

Exactly. He's made some dumb moves in the past to try to gain extra yards (and got blasted). I could see if he had to beat one guy, but there was no way he was going to run over two Bear defenders coming in to destroy him. I think Collinsworth missed the boat on that one.

He slid and gained nine yards, if he would have tucked and rolled he would have gotten the first down by plenty. Was it worth it, hind sight says no, but if they would have failed on 3rd down and 4th down to get the first everyone would be slandering Rodgers and calling him a pussy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He slid and gained nine yards, if he would have tucked and rolled he would have gotten the first down by plenty. Was it worth it, hind sight says no, but if they would have failed on 3rd down and 4th down to get the first everyone would be slandering Rodgers and calling him a pussy.

Did you ever call out Favre when he did this a lot late in his career? I didn't. Maybe if he had one guy to beat or if he ran out of bounds when he had a chance to pick up the extra yard. This was entirely different. Look at the replay. He actually got a good spot. He slid two yards short. With those two Bears coming at him like they were, I think it's far from a given that he gets the first down.

[cheesner]

Interesting thread, Kiwon, especially your comparison of the type of hits Rodgers took compared to Favre.

Now, I'm mostly remembering Favre for the last 8 years or so, but I really can't recall him getting lit up in the way Urlacher just drilled Rodgers. Favre was uncommonly good at avoiding that kind of blow, and I'd like to see Rodgers develop that skill set over the next few years.

I'd rather have my qb be the slippery eel rather than the stout oak. Because in the NFL, there's always going to be a bigger, badder oak.

In Favre's early years he would take some big hits, and occassionally give out a few. In fact, in his first few years he would generally start a game erratically. He would overthrow receivers and throw bullets when an easy catchable pass would have worked. It seemed he needed to get his bell rung for him to settle down and play well. When watching with my buddies we would actually cheer when Brett got blasted because we knew he would then start lighting it up.

Anyone else remember it that way?

[Cheesehead Craig]

I was quite happy to see the slide actually. He had two defenders converging on him at top speed and slid underneath the hit. He didn't have a chance of getting the first. If he'd dived, he'd have gotten sandwiched between them and snapped into two pieces.

I'd rather have third and 1 than Flynn trying to make that TD pass as a substitute.

Exactly. He's made some dumb moves in the past to try to gain extra yards (and got blasted). I could see if he had to beat one guy, but there was no way he was going to run over two Bear defenders coming in to destroy him. I think Collinsworth missed the boat on that one.

He slid and gained nine yards, if he would have tucked and rolled he would have gotten the first down by plenty. Was it worth it, hind sight says no, but if they would have failed on 3rd down and 4th down to get the first everyone would be slandering Rodgers and calling him a pussy.

Nope. Look at the replay, the Bears defenders were already in front of the first down marker when he started his slide. Not a chance in hell that he gets that first down unless he suddenly morphed into Adrian Peterson.

[mraynrand]

He slid and gained nine yards, if he would have tucked and rolled he would have gotten the first down by plenty. Was it worth it, hind sight says no, but if they would have failed on 3rd down and 4th down to get the first everyone would be slandering Rodgers and calling him a pussy.

Did you ever call out Favre when he did this a lot late in his career? I didn't. Maybe if he had one guy to beat or if he ran out of bounds when he had a chance to pick up the extra yard. This was entirely different. Look at the replay. He actually got a good spot. He slid two yards short. With those two Bears coming at him like they were, I think it's far from a given that he gets the first down.

http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/?action=view&current=favrebailout.flv

[gbgary]

if he would have tucked and rolled he would have gotten the first down by plenty.

if he'd have tucked and rolled they'd have killed him. they dove in leading with their helmets.


i was one of those that though he was going to be fragile. he's proven otherwise. he's got heart too.

[Little Whiskey]

i was one of those that though he was going to be fragile. he's proven otherwise. he's got heart too.

+1

[MOBB DEEP]

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[chain_gang]

I don't think rodgers makes it if he dives forward. Honestly if he would've stayed up it looked like he would've be decapitated. I'll take a 3rd and 1 rather than 3 and inches, if it means our QB is IR'd in week 1.

Favre has done a lot worse than this, and no one has really questioned his toughness. Remember the 2004 Packer/Vike Playoff game in Lambeau? This is a playoff game mind you.

Here ya go...

Go to 2:11 and see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxAQPupmxLQ

[MOBB DEEP]

Redic imho to compare aaron's and favre's toughness; thats the biggest thing favre is known for the past 20 years...

aaron is tough enough on own merit and much faster and atletic than brett coulda ever hoped to be

[Deputy Nutz]

He slid and gained nine yards, if he would have tucked and rolled he would have gotten the first down by plenty. Was it worth it, hind sight says no, but if they would have failed on 3rd down and 4th down to get the first everyone would be slandering Rodgers and calling him a pussy.

Did you ever call out Favre when he did this a lot late in his career? I didn't. Maybe if he had one guy to beat or if he ran out of bounds when he had a chance to pick up the extra yard. This was entirely different. Look at the replay. He actually got a good spot. He slid two yards short. With those two Bears coming at him like they were, I think it's far from a given that he gets the first down.

I wasn't calling it a bad decision to slide, my point is that Packer Nation would be pissed right now if a 50 yard completion didn't happen on 3rd and 1 and they didn't get the first down and the game ended in a Bears victory, a key sticking point would be that Rodgers didn't sell out .

I didn't mention anything about Favre, but since you did, you can bet your bottom dollar that at 25 years old Brett Favre wasn't sliding a yard in front of a first down marker with the game on the line like that.