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  • #61
    Originally posted by Patler
    If you look back at my posts early when Capers was hired, I argued that the Packers needed to trade Kampman to a 4-3 during the off season, while they could still get something for him. I argued he simply wouldn't fit. After hearing Capers discuss his strategy a little, and after thinking about it more myself, particularly Kampman's background, I backed off that and thought, well....maybe....

    I became hopeful after watching him in a few preseason games because he wasn't horrible.

    After Sunday, I am convinced he can play the position for the way they seem likely to use him. Did he look smooth and comfortable all the time? Of course not! It was his first real game at the position. But I thought he played quite well, actually. He was in on plays all over, he wasn't exposed in passing plays when he dropped back, and he was rushing effectively. There was the obvious face mask that kept him off Cutler once, and two other times he was right there and seemed to be held. I'm not complaining about the non-calls, just pointing out that they seemed to be having trouble containing him on the rush a little. Plus, I thought it was clear that his instructions were to make sure Cutler didn't get outside. The way he rushed and held outside positioning made that seem quite obvious on a number of the times he rushed the passer.

    All in all, I'm guessing the coaches are pleased with how Kampman played in his first game at the position.
    Kamp was pretty solid in the run game. Set the end, pushed his guy back, forced inside runs outside, strung plays out, shed blockers. Good stuff. Have to see how he looked in 'coverage.' Don't recall offhand.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by wist43
      When did I "dismiss" your opinion??? I posted an observation, and typically I was attacked for being "negative". The title of the thread is... is there reason for concern on the D??? I said yes, and stated why... don't see how that is dismissing your opinion.

      In fact, I state in my original post things I see as moving in the right direction, i.e. the change in scheme and the drafting of Raji and Matthews... again, don't see how that is dismissing your opinion???
      Holy buckets batman!! Wist, I thought I explained it pretty well. Let me try again: You took a shot at everyone else calling them unobjective and koolaid drinkers. Then you finish one of your posts by claiming that your are "just stating the obvious".

      After all that you complain about being "attacked". LOL. You know what they say, if you live in a glass house, turn off the lights at night.

      I have to admit, your post had a glimmer of positive statements. Kudos (insert image here). Just don't pretend you're objective and everyone else is not and I promise not to "attack" you quite as much. Deal? :P

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      • #63
        Originally posted by mraynrand
        Kamp was pretty solid in the run game. Set the end, pushed his guy back, forced inside runs outside, strung plays out, shed blockers. Good stuff. Have to see how he looked in 'coverage.' Don't recall offhand.
        You'll have to look close because I think it rarely happened.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by sharpe1027
          Originally posted by mraynrand
          Kamp was pretty solid in the run game. Set the end, pushed his guy back, forced inside runs outside, strung plays out, shed blockers. Good stuff. Have to see how he looked in 'coverage.' Don't recall offhand.
          You'll have to look close because I think it rarely happened.
          According to the GBPG analysis , this was what happened on downs Chicago tried to pass :
          Outside linebacker Aaron Kampman rushed two-thirds of those snaps (27) and dropped into coverage the other third (14),
          Not being exploited once in 27 downs dropped into coverage is much better than I had expected. Sure, time will tell if other teams can target his coverage based on the first couple of weeks worth of game tape, but it's been a good start.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by sharpe1027
            You'll have to look close because I think it rarely happened.
            He appeared to be rushing most of the time, but JSO did point out that Kampman rushed 2/3 of the time out of the Bears 42 passing plays, so 1/3 of the time he was in coverage. Of course, they played mostly nickel in this game. Not really sure what playing more base will do to those stats.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by boiga
              Not being exploited once in 27 downs dropped into coverage is much better than I had expected. Sure, time will tell if other teams can target his coverage based on the first couple of weeks worth of game tape, but it's been a good start.
              I think you mean 14. I think it should be pointed out that Jolly and Pickett combined to drop back into coverage something like 9 plays. Capers is a little exotic.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #67
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                I think you mean 14. I think it should be pointed out that Jolly and Pickett combined to drop back into coverage something like 9 plays. Capers is a little exotic.
                Yes, thanks. It's worked so far, so I'm happy.

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                • #68
                  Still not concerned?
                  Just a thought.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by mission
                    The last thing Im worried about is the Packers defense right now...

                    And I love the comment about the Bears WRs ... so it was their fault they had 4 INTs but they had a great game because of 3 plays... lol

                    Hester looked OK, but he didn't look like a #1 WR IMO.
                    Sure about that?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                      Originally posted by mission
                      The last thing Im worried about is the Packers defense right now...

                      And I love the comment about the Bears WRs ... so it was their fault they had 4 INTs but they had a great game because of 3 plays... lol

                      Hester looked OK, but he didn't look like a #1 WR IMO.
                      Sure about that?
                      wow
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                      Brew Crew in 2011!!!

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                      • #71
                        The D isn't the only worry,Rodgers has looked like shit the last few weeks. I don't want to hear the o-line excuse either (although it does suck),Favre got it done for years with shitty protection.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Packerarcher
                          The D isn't the only worry,Rodgers has looked like shit the last few weeks. I don't want to hear the o-line excuse either (although it does suck),Favre got it done for years with shitty protection.
                          Favre got it done for years with 2 bookend tackles. It isn't the same.
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Gunakor
                            Originally posted by Packerarcher
                            The D isn't the only worry,Rodgers has looked like shit the last few weeks. I don't want to hear the o-line excuse either (although it does suck),Favre got it done for years with shitty protection.
                            Favre got it done for years with 2 bookend tackles. It isn't the same.
                            QFT
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                            Brew Crew in 2011!!!

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                            • #74
                              well, the d looked pathetic today

                              front 7 got their asses handed to them, ton of missed tackles

                              it was ugly, even with woodsons 2 int's

                              then we lost collins, so now we have zero decent safeties

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                              • #75
                                When I pointed this out last week, all I mostly got was childish remarks backed up with no logic. I specifically pointed out that if the Packers had trouble stopping our stop gap offense then how would you fair against a more seasoned offense...most of you laughed as if I WASNT WATCHING THE GAME.
                                And that high powered Pre-season offense has been stumped again for a second straight week. The only difference this week from last week is that the Bears could not put you guys away when they had the chance. Now a game that the Packers were highly favored to win, will instead go into the lost column.

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