Alternative History - The bears game

[pasquale]

He's playing, but he's just managing things, and despite his words about having fun, it don't look to me like he's having fun.

I agree with him managing things..but did you watch the Minnesota gamed...Do I need to find a clip of him tackling Harvin?

Not sure you can show much more joy and smiles on the field than Bert's patented "mob your WR". To me that looks like he's having fun.

[The Shadow]

There came a point in the game where I thought we were inevitably going to lose, and then I realized that I had grown accustomed over many years to the stupid interception on the last chance in games like this that sealed our doom.
But then Rodgers brought home the bacon.
I think this game was a major milestone for the entire team.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

With 4 picks, I thought Bert was playing for the Bears.

[ThunderDan]

Can we please stop with new Brent Favre threads!!!

[Packgator]

Re: Alternative History - The bears game

how do most see the Bear's game if Bert had been starting for us.

I can't even imagine us winning that game. Bears 21-10.

There is only a handful of people on the planet who could have QB'd the Packers to a win last Sunday. "Bert" is no longer one of the handful. Lucky for us Rodgers is.

[mraynrand]

Re: Alternative History - The bears game

how do most see the Bear's game if Bert had been starting for us.

I can't even imagine us winning that game. Bears 21-10.

There is only a handful of people on the planet who could have QB'd the Packers to a win last Sunday. "Bert" is no longer one of the handful. Lucky for us Rodgers is.

[LEWCWA]

This is just childish. All I know is Mr. Favre won another game(the most of anyone ever) and well Mr. Rodgers won #7. Talk to me when he reaches 100. (not likely)

[packerbacker1234]

This is just childish. All I know is Mr. Favre won another game(the most of anyone ever) and well Mr. Rodgers won #7. Talk to me when he reaches 100. (not likely)

Not to mention that for all the bashing people do of favre's int's these days, they seem to forget games like....

(in his final year in gb)

against chargers, vikings, denver. They choose to remember chicago and the playoff game against the Giants, but not the awesome game he had against seattle.

Brett is a 50/50 QB when it comes to the game being on the line: And in today's NFL thats pretty good. He did it last year too in beating the Titans. He was the only reason the Jets were even in that game, let alone won it.

Just saying: I do agree Rodger's is better now then Favre is right now, that doesn't mean Favre is suddenly garbage.

They both got the job done last weekend. Lets return to this at the midway point, or at LEAST wait until after the packers and vikings play eachother.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is just childish. All I know is Mr. Favre won another game(the most of anyone ever) and well Mr. Rodgers won #7. Talk to me when he reaches 100. (not likely)

First, the vikes won the game, just as the pack won theirs.

Second, if anyone "won" the game his name is AD.

[Fritz]

He's playing, but he's just managing things, and despite his words about having fun, it don't look to me like he's having fun.

I agree with him managing things..but did you watch the Minnesota gamed...Do I need to find a clip of him tackling Harvin?

Not sure you can show much more joy and smiles on the field than Bert's patented "mob your WR". To me that looks like he's having fun.

If this is so, then it won't be too many games until he starts winging the ball all over. And I mean all over.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Okay, Ty, first of all, enough with the "Bert" crap. He gets disrespected enough already.

But to answer your question:

If Brent Favre...

Fritz, that's some funny shit!!!

[bobblehead]

Re: Alternative History - The bears game

One of the most fun genres of literature is the alternative history. You know, what would things look like if the Nazi's had won, etc.

With that in mind, how do most see the Bear's game if Bert had been starting for us.

I can't even imagine us winning that game. Bert surely woulda winged up a few prayers that woulda been intercepted, devasting ints at the wrong time. The Bear's game required a game manager, someone patient enough to wait for the opportunity to strike...and that isn't Bert.

Bears 21-10.

Or... if bert starts... we actually score points on offense.

I mean, Rodger's didn't turn it over, but we punted... a lot.

I don't think bert makes a difference honestly. Rodgers did nothing save one play at the end. How many times have we seen bert make that same play? Plenty enough to warrant confidence that bert would of made the same play.

Regardless, hindsight being 20-20, the pack wins regardless.

(I also laugh at needing a game manager. Brett was completely a game manager this weekend with Minnesota, meanwhile Rodgers never got it going at all)

Bert can be a game manager sometimes...see week one vs. Philadelphia (except for one ugly pick that almost cost us the game). Problem is he can't force himself to do it for a season...maybe having AP and wanting to win to show TT and MM will keep him in control...but all he proves by playing in control to stick it to the guys who wanted to control him is...well....they were right all along.

[Fritz]

I agree with the gist of your post, Bobble. My theory is that he can be a game manager only for as long as it satisfies whatever personal needs he has with this comeback. If being a game manager satisfies those needs all season long, then probably he can do it. However, if at any point those needs are no longer met by game-managing, he'll become a gunslinger.

The question is, what exactly are those needs? It's nearly impossible to say for certain. My question is this: if he can win a Super Bowl with the Vikes, being a muted, 14-21 and 140 yards a game guy, and Adrian Peterson getting the bulk of the credit, along with the D, will that be enough for Favre? If he's seen as an adjunct piece of the puzzle, a Trent Dilfer just-don't-screw-it-up quarterback, will that be okay with him as long as he gets the trophy? Or will he need some personal glory?

[sharpe1027]

I agree with the gist of your post, Bobble. My theory is that he can be a game manager only for as long as it satisfies whatever personal needs he has with this comeback. If being a game manager satisfies those needs all season long, then probably he can do it. However, if at any point those needs are no longer met by game-managing, he'll become a gunslinger.

The question is, what exactly are those needs? It's nearly impossible to say for certain. My question is this: if he can win a Super Bowl with the Vikes, being a muted, 14-21 and 140 yards a game guy, and Adrian Peterson getting the bulk of the credit, along with the D, will that be enough for Favre? If he's seen as an adjunct piece of the puzzle, a Trent Dilfer just-don't-screw-it-up quarterback, will that be okay with him as long as he gets the trophy? Or will he need some personal glory?

The question that comes to my mind is why the hell did they sign him if that's truly all they need? Sage can fill that role nicely.

I guess they made a crapload of money in jersey and ticket sales.

[Packgator]

This is just childish. All I know is Mr. Favre won another game(the most of anyone ever) and well Mr. Rodgers won #7. Talk to me when he reaches 100. (not likely)

Not to mention that for all the bashing people do of favre's int's these days, they seem to forget games like....

(in his final year in gb)

against chargers, vikings, denver. They choose to remember chicago and the playoff game against the Giants, but not the awesome game he had against seattle.

Brett is a 50/50 QB when it comes to the game being on the line: And in today's NFL thats pretty good. He did it last year too in beating the Titans. He was the only reason the Jets were even in that game, let alone won it.

Just saying: I do agree Rodger's is better now then Favre is right now, that doesn't mean Favre is suddenly garbage.

They both got the job done last weekend. Lets return to this at the midway point, or at LEAST wait until after the packers and vikings play eachother.

I think you are missing the point/topic of this thread.

""One of the most fun genres of literature is the alternative history. With that in mind, how do most see the Bear's game if Bert had been starting for us.""

It's one game. Three specific hours in time under the same circumstances.....same everything. We were not asked to debate who has had the best career, most wins, how they played ten (or two) years ago, or best/most anything. Just how we see the outcome if Favre were playing QB for the Packers last Sunday.

The answer of course is pure conjecture (for Favre). But not so with Rodgers. With Rodgers we know the outcome. This game and outcome was huge for Rodgers. It was a very difficult game to play QB. Rodgers got it done and I contend there are very few QB's who could have done the same. Perhaps as few as.......what? Three? Five? Who knows? But I do know that we have one of them.

I think Favre is no longer capable of winning (if he were QB of this Packers team) a game like we saw Sunday. Is he capable of winning a game like Minny at Cleveland? Yes, he did it. Is he capable of QB'ing the Vikings to a win over the Bears? I think so. Is he capable of QB'ing the Vikings to a Super Bowl? Maybe. But we weren't asked these questions.

Just for fun.......here's another question we weren't asked. How many QB's could have led the Vikings to a win at Cleveland last Sunday? 30? 40? More? Less?