OFFICIAL Game Day Thread: Bengals @ Packers

[pbmax]

I remember when people thought I was nuts when I said Clifton was still a stud. Colledge looks like a huge step down.

You are hanging your hat on predicting Colledge was a worse Left Tackle than Clifton?

No, but everyone was asying that Cliffy was done. I still think he's a top 10 pass blocking LT even in the twilight of his career. Very good player. Huge step down once you saw the average LT come in to play.

No one sensible was saying Cliffy was done. Declining? Yes. Worst year since he was a rookie pass blocking? yes. But by the end of training camp it was clear the surgeries had paid off and he was moving much better. And at no point did anyone think we had a replacement ready in Meredith, Moll, Colledge or Lang.

And why, if a player has trouble in one phase of the game, do you need to find fault in EVERY phase of their game? Very binary of you.

You win, you are not bulletproof. You lose you are not a tire fire. Although we are smoking quite a lot right now.

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A good amount of that post went straight over my head

[pbmax]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I like Colledge. From in over his head to improving every year. He is a good guard right now.

And I hope you are right he can play tackle, because if Cliffy is done, there are not a whole lot of options.

[MOBB DEEP]

This mess is surreal! Cincy??????

so much for us "dominating" all opponents this year, huh?

I guess so, realy strange trap game; players musta been reading press clippings

[retailguy]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

[Brohm]

Someone ring up Dellenbach and Wilkerson! :P

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A good amount of that post went straight over my head

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

Agreed 100%. I'm not blaming Rodgers for the loss. You can't win when you were whipped in all 4 portions of the game. Your stars do need to show up, though.

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I like Colledge. From in over his head to improving every year. He is a good guard right now.

And I hope you are right he can play tackle, because if Cliffy is done, there are not a whole lot of options.

I agree with you. He has improved. But I don't think he'll ever make a great guard. Had he focused on LT for the past 3 years, I think we'd have a pretty good LT right now, but we didn't need that. We needed a guard, and the guy worked his ass off to do something that did not come naturally, at all. I just worry that he's spent so much time at guard it will impact his effectiveness at tackle.

Yes, he is all we've got. Lang is nowhere close to ready. Nor should we expect him to be. I don't know what they're going to do if cliffy is hurt as bad as it looks right now. I just don't know how you don't plan for this, I mean, cliffy has had like four major surgeries in the past two seasons. how do you not have a solid backup plan, yet carry 3 tight ends?

I just don't know what to say, except, C'mon colledge. The team is dependent on your play right now.

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10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I don't necessarily agree that you can't win without a good OL (Steelers last year), but you need to adjust and take whats given. I feel like a more balanced offensive game plan when we were down by 7 for much of the second half would have been beneficial. I don't know the numbers, but I feel like it had it be 75% passing. I could very well be wrong, though.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty called it. All there in black in white.

[retailguy]

A good amount of that post went straight over my head

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

Agreed 100%. I'm not blaming Rodgers for the loss. You can't win when you were whipped in all 4 portions of the game. Your stars do need to show up, though.

then maybe you shouldn't have ripped the pass call over the middle so badly. you have to take what the defense gives you. I give credit to Arod for even seeing the opening. He got it executed. then his team let him down yet again.

Arod had a couple of clutch plays. He didn't play well all game, but he did play well when it counted. That's what I expect out of my QB. He delivered as far as I'm concerned.

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I like Colledge. From in over his head to improving every year. He is a good guard right now.

And I hope you are right he can play tackle, because if Cliffy is done, there are not a whole lot of options.

I agree with you. He has improved. But I don't think he'll ever make a great guard. Had he focused on LT for the past 3 years, I think we'd have a pretty good LT right now, but we didn't need that. We needed a guard, and the guy worked his ass off to do something that did not come naturally, at all. I just worry that he's spent so much time at guard it will impact his effectiveness at tackle.

Yes, he is all we've got. Lang is nowhere close to ready. Nor should we expect him to be. I don't know what they're going to do if cliffy is hurt as bad as it looks right now. I just don't know how you don't plan for this, I mean, cliffy has had like four major surgeries in the past two seasons. how do you not have a solid backup plan, yet carry 3 tight ends?

I just don't know what to say, except, C'mon colledge. The team is dependent on your play right now.

edit - 3 fullbacks. sorry, I'm frustrated right now.

[retailguy]

Ty called it. All there in black in white.

thank you nostradamus. what are next weeks winning lotto numbers? Can you go two for two?

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A good amount of that post went straight over my head

your critiques of rodgers play are seriously flawed. Rodgers can only perform if the rest of the team performs. they didn't, he didn't. I can forgive his panic near the end of the game, by then it was over.

Our problems are much much deeper than ARod.

Agreed 100%. I'm not blaming Rodgers for the loss. You can't win when you were whipped in all 4 portions of the game. Your stars do need to show up, though.

then maybe you shouldn't have ripped the pass call over the middle so badly. you have to take what the defense gives you. I give credit to Arod for even seeing the opening. He got it executed. then his team let him down yet again.

Arod had a couple of clutch plays. He didn't play well all game, but he did play well when it counted. That's what I expect out of my QB. He delivered as far as I'm concerned.

He didn't play well. He used the middle of the field twice when the defense gave it to him. They obviously are going to give him the middle of the field because they want him to complete the passes there.

I'm critical because someone has to be. It wasn't a good decision. Any way you want to spin it. The first one, sure, but the second one was not. They would have been better with an incompletion or throwing it away.

[retailguy]

10 sacks to Arod in 2 weeks..My goodness..The only thing that can make this day better is if the Steelers keep giving the Bears a beatdown like they are right now..

At this point, go back to max protect as in 2006. Rodgers won't make it to midseason at this rate.

I can't single out a problem after this game, we sucked everywhere, but this has been a constant problem since 2006. You can't win without a good OL, and the Packers definitely do not have a good OL.

rodgers is going to get killed out there. I'll forgive colledge this week, but he's a veteran, and if he's out there this season, he's got precious little time to improve. we need some veteran depth, even if they're "over the hill". These rookies won't help in any capacity. an over the hill veteran can at least help with some tips for Barbre and Lang and Colledge to a certain extent.

these guys are in way over their head.

I don't necessarily agree that you can't win without a good OL (Steelers last year), but you need to adjust and take whats given. I feel like a more balanced offensive game plan when we were down by 7 for much of the second half would have been beneficial. I don't know the numbers, but I feel like it had it be 75% passing. I could very well be wrong, though.

Steelers run a different offensive game plan. Can we adjust? Sure, we've got enough playmakers, but in 3 seasons we haven't adjusted. we've continually tried to correct the problems. mccarthy earns criticism there.

partial, the problems are bigger than a bad OL. The problems shift from game to game. Last week Barbre sucked badly, this week, he played better but still not great. now, someone else plays poorly. next week someone else plays poorly. There is no one that the coaches can depend on right now, so how do you gameplan that?

It isn't as easy as that. Also, Grant needs good runblocking to be effective. He's not Barry Sanders. He doesn't have that to take pressure off the passing game. Parker is a completely different kind of back.

I see your point, but dont' really think the situation is as comparable as you're trying to make it.