OFFICIAL Game Day Thread: Bengals @ Packers

[SkinBasket]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

Have you been checked for syphilis or is there a history of mental health problems in your family? You're exhibiting several different kinds of neurosis in this thread ranging from hallucination to paranoia with possible eye sight damage and overlapping confabulation.*


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*The term "confabulation" is used to describe lying or invention when the person who is lying is not aware that they are lying. To be more specific, confabulation is treating a fantasy as a fact, without awareness that fantasy has replaced fact.

[Partial]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

No, actually Skin is exactly right. I tried to reply earlier but it did the whole "log out" thing again and I got frustrated. Nelson was not even close to open and I don't think an incompletion would have been better at that point. There WAS enough time to get another play off, or stop the clock or whatever... it seemed like the offense was a little surprised to be in that position and no one was really sure what to do. There seemed to be all sorts of reluctance going on at that point.

Anyway, Nelson was covered... that was obvious in the first replay they showed. No need to go back on DVR ... could he have jumped up and made a play and got out of bounds over a defender? Sure, I guess... but he's shown me nothing to make me think that's a play he can make. Since, you know, we've never seen him do that or anything close to that.

I disagree. I think Nelson was pretty gosh darn wide open from the video I saw. It's possible that he the video I saw didn't tell the whole tale, I don't know. He had a step or two on a defender.

Like I said though.. even an incompletion would be better than having to sprint up in massive chaos and run another play. Tar is right, is anything, spike it and huddle up. Chaos is just all around the worst option.

[ThunderDan]

I disagree. I think Nelson was pretty gosh darn wide open. He had a step or two on a defender. Like I said.. even an incompletion would be better than having to sprint up in massive chaos and run another play. Tar is right, is anything, spike it and huddle up. Chaos is just all around the worst option.

Nelson was being bumped by the corner at the time Rodgers was looking at him in the progression and was not wide open.

Go to NFL.com and look in the video portion it's right there.

How do you post a screen shot from a video on this page?

[Gunakor]

I'll chime in. I only saw the highlight reel and saw Rodgers had time to spike the ball, but didn't.

There, I chimed in.

It really should have never come to that in the first place. It was one of the sloppiest games I've seen in quite some time. As I said at halftime in the game thread, this game was going to come down to who would suck less. In the end, Cincy sucked less than we did. But we both stunk, and the game was there for the taking anyway. All I know is we gotta get better, or it's gonna be a long season.

[retailguy]

That still doesn't change

When you said this you lost the debate Partial. Without acknowledging that Skin is right, you inadvertently do so. And he was right. Nelson was NOT open at the time, only after the fact, which would have left even less time on the clock, ASSUMING that Nelson was going to get open.

Next, your point is superceded by the play of either Jennings or Finley who didn't get set (this is clear from every replay) and as a result, what Rodgers could or couldn't have done is essentially rendered moot. Throwing over the middle of the field is a bullshit argument. Fact is, that they've got 20 seconds to work with for two plays. You take the 1st guy that's open regardless of where it is. You don't have time to think or debate, you just play. That's what Rodgers did. He took the best option and the team disintegrated around him.

You'd get far more points from me, if you'd just man up and say "I screwed up". "Thought I saw something that I didn't see".

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.

[Freak Out]

Wow....another "what if" debate.

I will say this.....after watching the low-lights the oline did a great job on that Grant TD run.

[mraynrand]

Here's the video. Rodgers has made his decision to throw before Jordy has freed himself from his man. I still think it's likely that Nelson stepped out, but the SJ didn't throw his hat. There are all sorts of possibilities, but Rodgers clearly found Driver open, clearly got to the line with 2 seconds left. He could have hesitated to see if Jordy was open, but that would have cost him Driver being open. What if, what if.

http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/?action=view&current=lastrodgerstoss.flv

[Scott Campbell]

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.

Ahem.

It's "beloved" Skinbasket.

[pbmax]

Also lost in a rush to declare the pass a stupid decision is the fact that the coaches were quoted today saying that 16 seconds was the cutoff for a throw to the middle of the field, run down and get another play/spike off.

They made it work, but the penalty cost them.

The real question is whether anyone knew what play to run from the 10 or if everyone was expecting a spike.

[retailguy]

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.

Ahem.

It's "beloved" Skinbasket.

It made me physically ill standing up for Skin's point. Calling him "beloved"? Out of the question.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That still doesn't change that fact that any completion over the middle to Driver is a game ender. An incompletion is better than a completion over the middle at that point.

I love how no one is chiming in. They would have to admit that I'm right and the beloved SkinBasket is clearly wrong.

Ty will chime in.

You are wrong.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That still doesn't change

When you said this you lost the debate Partial. Without acknowledging that Skin is right, you inadvertently do so. And he was right. Nelson was NOT open at the time, only after the fact, which would have left even less time on the clock, ASSUMING that Nelson was going to get open.

Next, your point is superceded by the play of either Jennings or Finley who didn't get set (this is clear from every replay) and as a result, what Rodgers could or couldn't have done is essentially rendered moot. Throwing over the middle of the field is a bullshit argument. Fact is, that they've got 20 seconds to work with for two plays. You take the 1st guy that's open regardless of where it is. You don't have time to think or debate, you just play. That's what Rodgers did. He took the best option and the team disintegrated around him.

You'd get far more points from me, if you'd just man up and say "I screwed up". "Thought I saw something that I didn't see".

The one who is like Ty in this thread is you, not Skinbasket. So now, you can "disagree" with me too, and prove my point Ty Jr.

Hey,

Fuck you. Keep my name outta this. Partial did it, which is bullshit.

Now you do it. Bullshit.

Time for you to grow up. You were shown to be wrong many times...and the last time, which you conveniently ignore, PB came in and stated it.

[Partial]

You guys are nuts. 16 seconds is the absolute bare minimum time to run a play in that situation. Do you think they were making a reference to trotting 20-30 yards down the field, getting set, spiking the ball? Maybe, but I doubt it. Are they going to come out and say that it was a stupid play? No, because you don't kick a guy when he's down.

Look at the video. Before Arod releases the ball, he has a clear shot at Nelson pulling ahead by a step or two. Whether he had already made his decision is up for debate, and thats fine, I will agree and say yeah, he probably doesn't have the best shot there at the time he threw the ball (one would argue it'd be smarter to wait for the developing play on the sideline to complete knowing that Jordy has both side and speed on the corner). Whatever. No sense in debating something that didn't happen (though it should have).

So he throws the ball down the middle of the field to the open man and as such we ran out of time. Is it a good idea to take the shot for the bare minimum possible time available and risk losing the game right there is everything does not go perfectly, or do you go to the sidelines and take 2-3 more shots if one fails?

If I've got ARod on the headset there, I'm saying do not go to the middle of the field unless the ball is 5 yards deep in the end zone. Does anyone in there right mind think MM is encouraging him to throw the ball ten yards short when they're obviously playing behind the receiver knowing that Driver would need a miracle to get by 3 guys and the likelihood of getting another play off were not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination?

I would probably win the game with my philosophy, or at least give myself multiple chances at it and play the odds. You guys making horrible decisions like that are going to lose the game 9/10 times since you are giving yourself about a 1% chance to succeed. Every single thing has to go right on that one play. I would play it smart and give myself 3 chances instead.

Driver wasn't going to score with 3-4 defenders sitting back in a deep zone closing in on him ten yards before the goal line. How dumb do you think Marvin Lewis is?

Finally, to cap off the bad decision making, ARod did not immediately spike the ball despite 1 second left of the clock, so that was it for the team even if they had a chance (which they didn't because of all of the prior bad decisions on the drive putting the team in an unfavorable position to begin with), so they were running some back yard type play/pandemonium. That kind of stuff doesn't work often in the NFL.

Anyway you slice it, bad decisions all around.



LOOK at 5:27 in the video. He is wide open and Rodgers still has the ball. Obivously he went through the read already, but this is a perfect image just like the Favre-giants image of wide open receivers everyone loves to post.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d812c6e2e/Bengals-31-Packers-24

[Deputy Nutz]

You guys are nuts.

Look at the video. Before Arod releases the ball, he has a clear shot at Nelson. Whether he had already made his decision is up for debate, and thats fine.

So he throws the ball down the middle of the field to the open man and as such we ran out of time. Is it a good idea to take the shot for the bare minimum possible time available and risk losing the game right there is everything does not go perfectly, or do you go to the sidelines and take 2-3 more shots if one fails?

If I've got ARod on the headset there, I'm saying do not go to the middle of the field unless the ball is 5 yards deep in the end zone. I would probably win the game. You guys making horrible decisions like that are going to lose the game 9/10 times since you are giving yourself about a 1% chance to succeed. Every single thing has to go right on that one play. I would play it smart and give myself 3 chances instead.

Enough, this is stupid. Passing to Driver for say 10 or 12 yard gain down the middle of the field would have been stupid, throwing it down the middle of the field where the catch happened less than ten yards from the end zone is trying to make a play to win the game. What happens if Driver catches the ball takes the hit, avoids a defender and gets in the endzone? That was a hell of a play, best shot they had at sending the game into overtime.

[Scott Campbell]

Vince Young would have willed his team into the endzone.