We deserve it.

[pbmax]

Emotion/"dedication" trumps logic fool.....cant believe pack averaging 3.8 points in the 3rd quarter...what the hell is MM doing at half? eating saturated fat-infested doughnuts to enhance his physique?

TT has to fire fatboy

Well, at least this is an opinion on a Packer.

[MOBB DEEP]

Emotion/"dedication" trumps logic fool.....cant believe pack averaging 3.8 points in the 3rd quarter...what the hell is MM doing at half? eating saturated fat-infested doughnuts to enhance his physique?

TT has to fire fatboy

Well, at least this is an opinion on a Packer.

[KYPack]

Emotion/"dedication" trumps logic fool.....cant believe pack averaging 3.8 points in the 3rd quarter...what the hell is MM doing at half? eating saturated fat-infested doughnuts to enhance his physique?

TT has to fire fatboy

Well, at least this is an opinion on a Packer.

Take it like a man, Mobb.

[CaptainKickass]

Back to the original thread title:

"We Deserve It"

"We" - as packer fans never ever deserve a loss.

"We" as in the football players wearing green and gold this past Sunday, most certainly did not deserve to win that game. They went out there, they tried, and even made more than a half assed effort to come back at the last second, but throughout the entire game I felt that they certainly did NOT deserve to win that game.

[Gunakor]

Why is it irrational to hate TT? We have a losing record under his watch. Forget the Favre crap. He has tried to fix the team on the cheap. The O line has been a problem since he got here. Late round picks are only going go so far. Sometimes you need to get a Hutchinson. And TT won't do that!

Here's why it's irrational hate. The bolded portion of the above.

TT's approach to fixing the team on the cheap has led us to more playoff wins during the past several years than the Hutchinson signing has led the Vikings to, even considering the guy Hutch is blocking for. You sound like Hutchinson would have been a cure-all. Believe me, it's not. There are teams that have high quality offensive lines that don't have the horses behind them to get the job done, and the end result is not that different than ours. And then there are teams with an OL just as bad as ours, whose fans complain all the way to the Super Bowl about it.

Believe me, I am just as upset about our OL woes as anyone else, but TT's job isn't specific to the offensive line. We had the same OL woes in 2007 when we hosted New York on a cold January evening with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line. Which suggests, to me anyway, that he's built a pretty good team here regardless of the OL struggles. That IMO is the rational way of looking at it.

[mraynrand]

Emotion/"dedication" trumps logic fool.....cant believe pack averaging 3.8 points in the 3rd quarter...what the hell is MM doing at half? eating saturated fat-infested doughnuts to enhance his physique?

TT has to fire fatboy

Stubby was in there at half dreaming up some 9 or 11 step drop backs for Arod. No worries - we have a replacement LT with a bad wheel and we just shifted the entire O line - no reason to look for the TE or check downs. Was a single slant even thrown?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

And as far as Favre, yeah, both sides f#cked that up. My question is, do you think Colts fans cheered for Unitas when he played for San Diego? Or Jets fans when Namath played in Frisco? Or Niner fans wished Montana ill when the relationship fell apart and he played with KC? Of course we all hope GB wins the 2 Minny games. But the hatred of some posters here toward Favre is asinine! And yeah, if we can't win the thing, I guess I'd be OK with BF going out on top. As long as the FIBS don't win!

Niners fans didn't have to watch Montana try to lead the Cowboys in to the playoffs against them. Unitas and Namath also went to teams without any kind of rivalry ties to their former team. Brett the Jet? I didn't mind, I wished him well, hell, he used to be my favorite player behind Reggie. Now Brett the Benedict Arnold is a different story. Wanting to come back and "stick it to" my favorite team? I cheer loudly every time I see gramps go down now. And noone will be yelling at the TV louder than me when the Packers defense swarms the old man.

One player does not make a team. The Packers were here before Favre, and they will be here long after he finally turns out the lights.

[run pMc]

Forget the Favre crap. He has tried to fix the team on the cheap. The O line has been a problem since he got here. Late round picks are only going go so far. Sometimes you need to get a Hutchinson. And TT won't do that!

IIRC Favre's annual retirement watch started during Sherman's tenure. That, along with his age, would almost guarantee that TT would be stuck with the unpleasant event of replacing Favre. It's done, and Rodgers has shown enough to make me think he's a capable QB.

Ask GJ and his agent if TT is fixing the team on the cheap.
There are multiple things to consider with FA & cap mgmt:
(1) resigning your own players, who are known entities in terms of locker room presence, practice habits/work ethic, and fit in the current system.
(2) determining whether a FA from another team is a good fit for the team
(3) determining whether a FA is worth the asking price vs. a draft pick.
(4) determining whether your own players are worth keeping vs. a FA vs. a draft pick.

Really, it's about value -- cost vs. performance -- with scarcity thrown in.

There are competent G's that cost less than Hutchinson...but free agency has changed since the days of Reggie and Deion, so the pickings are much slimmer. Don't forget, most of the best FA's get slapped with a franchise tag...otherwise half the league would've chased after Peppers or Cassel.

As for Hutchinson, while he is a very good player, IMO he's overpaid as a guard. Some LT's don't make that kind of money. You pay guys 6 or 8M to play LG, then another 12M for a QB, and pretty soon you end up resorting to guys like Greg Lewis at WR...

Sorry, I'm with Ty and KY on this one.

[retailguy]

Stubby was in there at half dreaming up some 9 or 11 step drop backs for Arod. No worries - we have a replacement LT with a bad wheel and we just shifted the entire O line - no reason to look for the TE or check downs. Was a single slant even thrown?

Not that I saw. That was the most frustrating part of the game for me. We just kept trying to go deep. Down the sidelines, over the middle, at what point do you decide they've figured that out and we need to try something else?

What happened to "move the chains"?

I don't get it. I can handle the loss, and the sky isn't falling, but, hell, would it kill somebody to actually change the gameplan at halftime?

[MOBB DEEP]

Emotion/"dedication" trumps logic fool.....cant believe pack averaging 3.8 points in the 3rd quarter...what the hell is MM doing at half? eating saturated fat-infested doughnuts to enhance his physique?

TT has to fire fatboy

Well, at least this is an opinion on a Packer.

Take it like a man, Mobb.

U know it KY...plus it WAS funny

[rbaloha1]

If you can not stop third and 34 you deserve to lose.

[Waldo]

If you can not stop third and 34 you deserve to lose.

The safety and ILB on that side of the field, were.....

At LB, everybodies favorite safety in a LB's body, the Chillarmatic.

And at S, the recently unemployed, Aaron Rouse.

Who was the closest to making the play 20 yards down the field, 305 lb DE Cullen Jenkins.

If he wouldn't have stripped the ball, he would have stopped the play.