Sharper Shake

[BobDobbs]

You know, when Mobb posted this I thought damn, now that we're out of Kool Aid around here someone's gonna break out the Hater-Aid.

Wow, look at it flow. Sharper clearly had holes in his game. But the legend of his horrible play has definitely grown since he left. I think that most of it stems from his personality and propensity to try to break a runback when it wasn't tactically sound.

When Slowik tried to play him near the LOS it didn't work. He was a deep cover safety that would hawk balls. He did it well. He scored a bunch of TDs. That's important when your defense scores touchdowns. I can already hear all the But he couldn't tackle a girlscout on crutches. Well he can. Look it up on Youtube.

He was bad at lateral movement and angles and he wouldn't sell out on the hits. But in the past few decades even who starts over him? Leroy, Collins, Mark Murphy? Chuck Cecil could hit but I start Sharper over him.

Mike Hawkins a ham sandwich? Come on.

Just admit you don't like him because he thought he was better than he was. He was a good, but not great player who never caused lockerroom trouble, played through injury, had to be accounted for on defense, and would have played out his contract had he been allowed to.

[MOBB DEEP]

He was bad at lateral movement and angles and he wouldn't sell out on the hit

QFT

Good post

[swede]

Just admit you don't like him because he thought he was better than he was. He was a good, but not great player...

I admit it, and I was happy to have him leave.

If we ever get a safety who IS as good as Sharper thinks himself to be we'll have a pretty damn good safety.

[Bretsky]

Just admit you don't like him because he thought he was better than he was. He was a good, but not great player...

I admit it, and I was happy to have him leave.

If we ever get a safety who IS as good as Sharper thinks himself to be we'll have a pretty damn good safety.

I'd settle for #2 safety as good as he actually is

[pbmax]

much rather have our starters
wait
who are they ?

In this case I might agree with you. If I cannot have two starting caliber safeties due to injuries, then I would then be happy to have Darren Sharper.

[KYPack]

I'll do this once. Sharper was a good safety and he should have been resigned at the time we had a chance to do so. Especially in hindsight. Sharper was not the perfect safety (LeRoy WAS as close to perfect as you can come), his outtages have been recounted on this forum, ad nauseum.

But he was a capable hand back there. Sharper and Butler were a great S tandem and we haven't had an equal tandem since they broke up. Collins is the only safety we've had since Sharper left that is a better player than Darren was. Rouse peeked in the backfield more last Sunday than Darren did in his whole career. Now we are at the point where an aging Darren Sharper would be a much better solution than the field hands we have to run out there as starters. Collins is banged up and the other guys don't know the job.

Sharper would be a great guy to have on our team right now. But, even had Thompson resigned him in '06, he'd be gone by now, anyway. Nobody plays with one team that long anymore. But Darren Sharper gets a lot more bashing from Packer fans than he has ever deserved.

[Zool]

He was under contract but was asked to take a pay cut. I believe he was set to earn $6mil in '05. He refused and was cut.

4th and 26
Owens in for the TD in the playoffs

He was average I suppose but never seemed to come up with the big play when it was needed. I called him a cherry picker when he was in GB and I'm not going to stop now.

[pbmax]

I'll do this once. Sharper was a good safety and he should have been resigned at the time we had a chance to do so. Especially in hindsight. Sharper was not the perfect safety (LeRoy WAS as close to perfect as you can come), his outtages have been recounted on this forum, ad nauseum.

I think we largely agree on Sharper's talents and deficiencies.

But how much would you have signed him for? I think Zool is short by a $1 mil, Sharper was $7 mil against the cap in Aught 5 and was asked to take $4 million cut.

T2 wanted him for $3 million, what would you have paid for him?

I would have gone to $4 million.

[bobblehead]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

Good point B

There may be one, but I can't think of anybody better we've had as a starter since we let him go except Collins. He's not as good now as he was back then but if Collins is out IMO he's better than anybdoy back there.

TT let him fly by not offering him too dam much and he went to more wealthy pastures. Perhaps they should've kept Sharper and let Bubba go on his way.

Hmmmm, thats pretty good GM'ing right there Bret

Something WAS a lil strange with Sharper but I dug his swag and I really believe the team fed off it like the Vikes and now the Saints are

Vikes were good on D before he got there, good when he was there, and they are still good now that he's gone. He really didn't make much difference with his "swag" in MN.

NO is currently #22 in the league of pts allowed and #28 in passing yds allowed and that's going up against a rookie and Kolb in 2 games. That "swag" of his isn't doing a whole hell of a lot.

Besides Nick Collins who have we had since who is as good ?

We've had plenty of Sharper hate the past few years but at the same time nobody cares to point out anybody who has been better.

even if that is true...it still doesn't make him good.

[sheepshead]

I'd take Sharper back in a second; he's been better than any safety post Sharper that I can recall except for Collins

Good point B

There may be one, but I can't think of anybody better we've had as a starter since we let him go except Collins. He's not as good now as he was back then but if Collins is out IMO he's better than anybdoy back there.

TT let him fly by not offering him too dam much and he went to more wealthy pastures. Perhaps they should've kept Sharper and let Bubba go on his way.

Hmmmm, thats pretty good GM'ing right there Bret

Something WAS a lil strange with Sharper but I dug his swag and I really believe the team fed off it like the Vikes and now the Saints are

Vikes were good on D before he got there, good when he was there, and they are still good now that he's gone. He really didn't make much difference with his "swag" in MN.

NO is currently #22 in the league of pts allowed and #28 in passing yds allowed and that's going up against a rookie and Kolb in 2 games. That "swag" of his isn't doing a whole hell of a lot.

Besides Nick Collins who have we had since who is as good ?

We've had plenty of Sharper hate the past few years but at the same time nobody cares to point out anybody who has been better.

Anyone that has cared to make a tackle. The guy stopped hitting years ago. A major part of his job, so he was launched. Guys on defense that refuse to hit in an effort to prolong their careers? no thanks

[KYPack]

I'll do this once. Sharper was a good safety and he should have been resigned at the time we had a chance to do so. Especially in hindsight. Sharper was not the perfect safety (LeRoy WAS as close to perfect as you can come), his outtages have been recounted on this forum, ad nauseum.

I think we largely agree on Sharper's talents and deficiencies.

But how much would you have signed him for? I think Zool is short by a $1 mil, Sharper was $7 mil against the cap in Aught 5 and was asked to take $4 million cut.

T2 wanted him for $3 million, what would you have paid for him?

I would have gone to $4 million.

It was true that the business side didn't work. Sherm should have never given him a contract that ballooned to the level that Sharper was due to make. When Thompson was handed that business equation, it was prudent of him to pass.

Sharper was a better player than almost all of the safeties that have played there since, save Collins and maybe Bigby in '07 only.

[Fritz]

You know, when Mobb posted this I thought damn, now that we're out of Kool Aid around here someone's gonna break out the Hater-Aid.

Wow, look at it flow. Sharper clearly had holes in his game. But the legend of his horrible play has definitely grown since he left. I think that most of it stems from his personality and propensity to try to break a runback when it wasn't tactically sound.

When Slowik tried to play him near the LOS it didn't work. He was a deep cover safety that would hawk balls. He did it well. He scored a bunch of TDs. That's important when your defense scores touchdowns. I can already hear all the But he couldn't tackle a girlscout on crutches. Well he can. Look it up on Youtube.

He was bad at lateral movement and angles and he wouldn't sell out on the hits. But in the past few decades even who starts over him? Leroy, Collins, Mark Murphy? Chuck Cecil could hit but I start Sharper over him.

Mike Hawkins a ham sandwich? Come on.

Just admit you don't like him because he thought he was better than he was. He was a good, but not great player who never caused lockerroom trouble, played through injury, had to be accounted for on defense, and would have played out his contract had he been allowed to.

Bobb, I've looked and looked on Youtube and I can't find that video of Sharper tackling a girl scout on crutches.

I hope he used proper technique.

[BobDobbs]

Fritz,
I just threw that in there to see if anyone would actually look for the clip. Sorry I was just ranting and feeling a little bit of mischeif in my heart. What I was really hoping was that someone would find a clip of Darren Sharper tackling a girlscout on crutches. That would have been hilarious.

[Fritz]

We have the same sense of humor.

The only thing better would be finding a clip of Sharper tackling a girl scout on crutches, J-u-s-t after she makes a winning touchdown catch.

[MOBB DEEP]

Balln like sure-fire HOFer this year and esp today

BEAST...